US Tariffs on Switzerland

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So are the tariffs currently off as of today until the next court hearing or are they still currently on?

I wonder if there’s some market for hedging risk against their reimposition to sort of split the difference or something on a given shipment like an insurance product, I’m sure there would be many interested at this stage.
 
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dsio dsio
So are the tariffs currently off as of today until the next court hearing or are they still currently on?

I wonder if there’s some market for hedging risk against their reimposition to sort of split the difference or something on a given shipment like an insurance product, I’m sure there would be many interested at this stage.
Still on…
 
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As I said earlier, rights are only good as long as everyone agrees that they are rights. Similarly, laws and courts are only valid if everyone agrees they are valid. The framing narrative has already started that will justify ignoring the courts. It won't be the first time they have been ignored. Contempt doesn't really exist anymore for the administration, so who is going to stop them from just ignoring a decision that doesn't go their way? No one...

Totally agree. What we are seeing is a dramatic change in the way executive power is used in the US. If I lived in America I would be getting fearful of the future - I know that sounds dramatic, but there are historical precedents for what we are seeing now, especially the ignoring or overturning of court decisions.

The tariff issue is just a part of that process. The point has already been made here that once tariffs are in place it is politically hard for them to be retracted, even after the current administration has gone.
 
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Totally agree. What we are seeing is a dramatic change in the way executive power is used in the US. If I lived in America I would be getting fearful of the future - I know that sounds dramatic, but there are historical precedents for what we are seeing now, especially the ignoring or overturning of court decisions.

The tariff issue is just a part of that process. The point has already been made here that once tariffs are in place it is politically hard for them to be retracted, even after the current administration has gone.
As others have said, masked people picking up people off the street, refusal to abide by the judiciary, all sounds kinda familiar to other traumatic world events of the last century.
 
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So are the tariffs currently off as of today until the next court hearing or are they still currently on?
Tariffs will remain through October 14 until the U.S. Supreme Court renders a decision.
 
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Tariffs will remain through October 14 until the U.S. Supreme Court renders a decision.
The tariffs will remain well into next year, I'm afraid. The Supreme Court will first agree to hear the case, arguments probably made early next year, its opinion late in the term, late-June or early-July 2026 as one of the terms blockbuster decisions. In the meantime, the tariffs will roll on.
 
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If I lived in America I would be getting fearful of the future...

And you would be in good company, in spite of what others say.
 
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The tariffs will remain well into next year, I'm afraid. The Supreme Court will first agree to hear the case, arguments probably made early next year, its opinion late in the term, late-June or early-July 2026 as one of the terms blockbuster decisions. In the meantime, the tariffs will roll on.
Thank you for the clarification.
 
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What we are seeing is a dramatic change in the way executive power is used in the US. If I lived in the "free world" I would be getting fearful of the future
Fify 😥
 
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Shockingly, people as a whole seem largely unconcerned. Or maybe they are just building a tolerance for chaos. And there is always the TACO trade.
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The tariffs will remain well into next year, I'm afraid. The Supreme Court will first agree to hear the case, arguments probably made early next year, its opinion late in the term, late-June or early-July 2026 as one of the terms blockbuster decisions. In the meantime, the tariffs will roll on.
Due to the wishy whashy application of the tariffs thus far, the full effect of the price rises….that will come when everyone is buying newly tariffed goods and not what is in warehouses looks to coincide with the Black Fridays sales. 😉

“The kids will have toys 🧸, just not as many” might come back to bite Donald

Oddly the rest of the world is going along just fine….actually Australian beef and wine sales in Canada, Japan etc are booming.
 
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Due to the wishy whashy application of the tariffs thus far, the full effect of the price rises….that will come when everyone is buying newly tariffed goods and not what is in warehouses looks to coincide with the Black Fridays sales. 😉

“The kids will have toys 🧸, just not as many” might come back to bite Donald

Oddly the rest of the world is going along just fine….actually Australian beef and wine sales in Canada, Japan etc are booming.
But who needs 30 dolls. ::facepalm1::
 
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But who needs 30 dolls. ::facepalm1::
A little girl with 29 dolls of course!

The N+1 rule has no lower age limit.

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I've actually been wondering about something. Setting aside the question if the administration will actually follow the courts for a minute...

All these countries that rushed to make a deal for a certain percentage tariff rate - since the other country has signed some agreement with the US, are these liable to be struck down? The initial imposition of tariffs to get that agreement may have been illegal, but if there is a signed agreement with another country, is that binding? Perhaps it requires an act of passing that agreement in congress? That's a side of this I've not heard anything about - if these agreements that were made were actually put into law and passed...
Last I checked no deals had actually been officially signed. I've seen the terms "in principle" and "framework" and being used. Some things that have been "agreed on" require going through the government systems of checks and balances of the countries on the other side. A process that can take a long time and what comes out of that can differ significantly.

That's why if you look into the "wins" that have been announced the substance seems to be missing, as this article details.
https://www.theatlantic.com/economy/archive/2025/08/trump-trade-deals/683796/
 
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No one has talked about how tariffs stopped mail shipment to the USA and how tariffs will add to the price of a watch we might buy or sell on the forum. It will make our collecting world smaller in the USA when we can't afford to buy a vintage watch outside the USA due to maybe 300 more added to the price if we buy outside the USA. Just lucky I got in early and bought a lot. And it might make the vintage supply in the USA go up in price since a lot will stop buying outside the USA after finding out the hard way. Someone at the MWR forum bought a 2300 dollar watch with 800 added on to it ouch. When you have smaller supply in the USA the price will go up and some forum members will be priced out of our hobby. Seller will stop selling to forum members in the USA because no one want to deal with the extra paperwork and cost of tariffs and the conflict it can cause in the sale of a watch. On eBay in the USA there a blue strip with warning of tariff charges on any seller outside the USA.
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And what about the guy who owes $1800 in tariff fees, plus all the billions already collected? If these were collected illegally, it seems logical that they should be refunded.
On that point, apparently there is a market for buying up possible future tariff refunds, so companies are selling their possible refund to someone at a discount, who will then be the one to collect the refunds if there are any. So it's a gamble that tariffs will be refunded at some point in time.

So Wall St. is buying these up thinking that tariffs will be refunded ay some stage - one of the firms doing this is none other than Cantor Fitzgerald, run by the sons of Howard Lutnick (at least since he joined the administration)...

https://thedeepdive.ca/howard-lutnicks-sons-running-his-old-firm-are-betting-against-trump-tariffs/
 
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No one has talked about how tariffs stopped mail shipment to the USA and how tariffs will add to the price of a watch we might buy or sell on the forum. It will make our collecting world smaller in the USA when we can't afford to buy a vintage watch outside the USA due to maybe 300 more added to the price if we buy outside the USA. Just lucky I got in early and bought a lot. And it might make the vintage supply in the USA go up in price since a lot will stop buying outside the USA after finding out the hard way. Someone at the MWR forum bought a 2300 dollar watch with 800 added on to it ouch. When you have smaller supply in the USA the price will go up and some forum members will be priced out of our hobby. Seller will stop selling to forum members in the USA because no one want to deal with the extra paperwork and cost of tariffs and the conflict it can cause in the sale of a watch. On eBay in the USA there a blue strip with warning of tariff charges on any seller outside the USA.
And US Customs is requiring all duties for mailed items to the US to be prepaid, by the seller. So the DDU shipments (Delivered Duty Unpaid) are no longer possible, and the shipments must now be DDP (Delivered Duty Paid). This removes the burden from the US Postal service for calculating all the duties. You can expect sellers to now be adding that cost to the selling prices.
 
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