Seamaster Railmaster 36.2mm - Brochure or Sales Literature?

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You're right, we don't know what discount they offer....I personnaly don't think it sells for more than 7k....(explorer territory) unless i'm not aware how many wealthy people live on this planet!!! 😀) A market trend evolves progressively not with such peak hikes....imho I have no plans either but I would try at 8k..;-) ..I have to admit it makes me love it all the way more....after all it has everything a watch collector can dream of: size, quality, almost in house movement, painted vintage-like dial....(crazy it could be had under 3k in 2018/2019)
 
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(crazy it could be had under 3k in 2018/2019)
I don't think that's crazy at all. It's about what I'd pay for one today, which is why I will never own one. 😀 What's actually crazy is paying $5k (much less $8k or $10k) for a no-date version of the 2504.50 with a different dial.
 
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I don't think that's crazy at all. It's about what I'd pay for one today, which is why I will never own one. 😀 What's actually crazy is paying $5k (much less $8k or $10k) for a no-date version of the 2504.50 with a different dial.

To each their own but I feel like this argument doesn't hold water, unless you feel the same way about the countless rare and sought after limited Speedmasters that are essentially dial swaps?
 
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I don't think that's crazy at all. It's about what I'd pay for one today, which is why I will never own one. 😀 What's actually crazy is paying $5k (much less $8k or $10k) for a no-date version of the 2504.50 with a different dial.
The date complication in itself doesn't make a watch superior...to a lot of us it's the lack of date that's interesting ...But you're right in a way
The 2504.5000s will also very soon be around 4k believe me, one just have to see how much the RRP of the new aqua terra 38mm is : 7300€
Finally you could also argue that a 114270 or a 1016 should be at 3/4k (which was the case 10 years ago) ...that's just the "new world"!!! 😀
 
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I bet these will stay for months if not years...
again, I can't see anyone paying more than 7k maybe 8k ...It is just a bubble created by one seller
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I know these have their fans, and it is a good looking thing but I just don’t see it as worth over double, say, the 39mm version. Some of the numbers quoted in the pages above are vintage Explorer money. No offense but it’s not the same gravy. C24 asking prices do not a market make. Talking it up is all well but let’s keep it sensible!
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I know these have their fans, and it is a good looking thing but I just don’t see it as worth double, say, the 39mm version.

Not an unreasonable opinion, I guess you just have to pay to play on this one. The 36 is the rarest and the most sought after, likely because of the proportions and the classic styling, akin to the Explorer.

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Some of the numbers quoted above are vintage Explorer money. No offense but it’s not the same gravy. C24 asking prices do not a market make.

No offence taken because that's explicitly the point I and others made already. The current Chrono24 prices are unrealistic and well above market. That's why they don't sell immediately like most examples.

However, the actual prices from dealers and forums are consistently hitting a ceiling at about 5000 USD over the last two years, although some that have disappeared within 24 hours on C24 suggest a possible higher ceiling there given the wider market and the likely many search alerts for the reference. At or below that mark, they sell like crazy and there are regular posts about people struggling to get one. Above that, they start to hang around.

To your Explorer point, I think I mentioned it a few posts ago but I think the 5000 ceiling is because that's about the amount where you can start to get a contemporary 114270 Explorer. Both watches are extremely similar and I don't think the market has a stomach to pay more for the Railmaster than the Explorer. Although I think the Railmaster is better (that's why I bought one) and is clearly becoming a cult classic, it's clear in the broad market the Railmaster is firmly in the Explorer's shadow.
 
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The guy who bought it in september 24 for 5k (ish) in Spain has sniffed a new opportunity in flipping it for 9700. In fact I really hate what's going on , it's a fake trend and it shows how this so called "passion" is understood by some mean collectors. I hope it won't damage the image of the beautiful railmaster 36mm🙁🙄

Screenshot 2024-09-24 at 17-28-04 Omega Railmaster 36 à vendre pour 5 650 € par un Vendeur pa...webp
 
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Here is a more reliable state of the sales....Of course the RM36 will slowly go up in value but not x2 in 3 months...not knowing this is a lack of understanding of fundamental economics....

Screenshot 2025-01-29 at 21-55-44 250452 For Sale WatchCharts Marketplace.webp
 
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The guy who bought it in september 24 for 5k (ish) in Spain has sniffed a new opportunity in flipping it for 9700. In fact I really hate what's going on , it's a fake trend and it shows how this so called "passion" is understood by some mean collectors. I hope it won't damage the image of the beautiful railmaster 36mm🙁🙄

Screenshot 2024-09-24 at 17-28-04 Omega Railmaster 36 à vendre pour 5 650 € par un Vendeur pa...webp
Frustrating, because there's hardly any modern-ish Omega models with smaller (and thinner!) proportions. I really like the RM36 for that.

Edit: just noticed some wild C24 listings too:
1738187939625.webp

Could buy a brand new 36mm Explorer and have enough cash left for a vacation.
 
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Frustrating, because there's hardly any modern-ish Omega models with smaller (and thinner!) proportions. I really like the RM36 for that.
My secret hope - more like a fantasy - is that Omega notices this trend and decides there might actually be a market for mid-size watches that aren't so obviously targeted to ladies. If the new 34mm black lacquer Aqua Terra had the same design as the 38mm and 41mm versions, I might have purchased one by now.
 
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Frustrating, because there's hardly any modern-ish Omega models with smaller (and thinner!) proportions. I really like the RM36 for that.
Could buy a brand new 36mm Explorer and have enough cash left for a vacation.
and Sathomasga, one option are the old aqua terras 25043000
 
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Frustrating, because there's hardly any modern-ish Omega models with smaller (and thinner!) proportions. I really like the RM36 for that.

Completely agree. I also really love the more tool oriented simple dial. It's not a field watch, but it kind of ticks that box anyway.

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Could buy a brand new 36mm Explorer and have enough cash left for a vacation.

Yeah, and the new 124270 has so many technical advantages too. The 114270 not so much, there you're pretty much buying the brand or the look.

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My secret hope - more like a fantasy - is that Omega notices this trend and decides there might actually be a market for mid-size watches that aren't so obviously targeted to ladies. If the new 34mm black lacquer Aqua Terra had the same design as the 38mm and 41mm versions, I might have purchased one by now.

36 is about as small as I'd go, but a decade ago I would never have considered this watch. Seeing vintage 36mm watches like the 1016 brought me around that, actually, it's a really good size for men, especially if the watch is all dial like a Railmaster or Aqua Terra. The dial is about the same size as my 41 mm Seamaster's.

It's worth noting Rolex dropped the Explorer 36 in favour of the 39, but has since brought the 36 back alongside a 40. Omega might follow, in my opinion 36 and 40 is a better combination of sizes than 34, 38 and 41 for a watch like this. I think Rolex has it right in this instance.
 
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Given the matte dial and the font, the 1016 would be a more practical comparison to the 36mm RM in terms of what buyers are looking for, IMO. The 14270 (and later watches) are very sterile and just very modern in comparison. I sold my Explorer off long ago, but still have the RM.
 
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Given the matte dial and the font, the 1016 would be a more practical comparison to the 36mm RM in terms of what buyers are looking for, IMO. The 14270 (and later watches) are very sterile and just very modern in comparison. I sold my Explorer off long ago, but still have the RM.
I agree but given the poor condition of the lume on most 1016, the jingly bracelets, acrylic glass and the basic movements I consider the RM very superior. Also anything above 8k is a rip off for a normal watch imo, the rest is marketing....😀
 
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Completely agree. I also really love the more tool oriented simple dial. It's not a field watch, but it kind of ticks that box anyway.



Yeah, and the new 124270 has so many technical advantages too. The 114270 not so much, there you're pretty much buying the brand or the look.



36 is about as small as I'd go, but a decade ago I would never have considered this watch. Seeing vintage 36mm watches like the 1016 brought me around that, actually, it's a really good size for men, especially if the watch is all dial like a Railmaster or Aqua Terra. The dial is about the same size as my 41 mm Seamaster's.

It's worth noting Rolex dropped the Explorer 36 in favour of the 39, but has since brought the 36 back alongside a 40. Omega might follow, in my opinion 36 and 40 is a better combination of sizes than 34, 38 and 41 for a watch like this. I think Rolex has it right in this instance.
124270 is my fav Rolex by far, for the same reasons I like the RM36. Glad they went back to normal proportions. The first gen 39mm Explorer looked so strange with those stubby little awkward hands.

I hope Omega goes all-in on smaller designs moving forward. Next-gen RM36, thinner Aqua Terras, thinner divers. Also... stop labelling a 39.5mm, 14.30mm thick (almost 200g) dive watch as a "ladies" model. 😁
 
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I have mixed feelings here, I think the love/hype for the Rm36 (which by the way is very recent and almost without any youtube video*) is strongly linked to the fact precisely that it is discontinued AND that it was short-lived. Should it be on the catalogue, not sure things would be the same


*check DIV "favorite things" :
 
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I have mixed feelings here, I think the love/hype for the Rm36 (which by the way is very recent and almost without any youtube video*) is strongly linked to the fact precisely that it is discontinued AND that it was short-lived. Should it be on the catalogue, not sure things would be the same

I think the exclusivity helps it, but I do think it would sell better today.

I touched on it a couple pages ago in more detail so people are welcome to go back but to resummarise, the 36 released in a time period where giant watches were on trend, e.g. Panerais and POs. The Railmaster XXL, which is enormous to the point of absurdity, I think 49 mm, seems to have been quite a bit more popular than the 36. Classic sized watches have come back into popularity in modern times and particular simple dialled field watches seem quite trendy. I have no doubt the Railmaster of the 2000's would have sold much better today, and probably better than the funky dialled third generation series discontinued last year. Would it have been enough to not be discontinued? Dunno.
 
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Totally agree on the trend for smaller watches. Having said that all trends are scary , if you remember there was a speculation bubble for a short time for the 39mm explorer when it was discontinued, and 2 years later it seems it's not really desirable. Finally opting for a 39 or 40 mm non sporty watch is more a thing of non-insiders.
 
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