NEWpt 32 Caliber Recognition HELP ! Leonidas VENUS? M.w.co? hmmm....

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cool well thank you all ever so much shame it cant be pinpointed exact but alas se la vie
 
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Moser was a serious bad ass


Heinrich Moser was one of the greatest Swiss entrepreneurs and industrialists of the 19th century. His son, Henri, inherited his father’s entrepreneurial spirit and insatiable curiosity. Like Heinrich, Henri was fascinated by Eastern cultures. Following in his footsteps, he travelled the world and collected more than 4,500 works of art and rare objects. In 1914 he donated his collection to the Bernisches Historisches Museum.

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To celebrate this anniversary, H. Moser & Cie. invited retail partner Bucherer, customers and friends for an evening devoted to the Moser family, on September 4th, 2014.
Early in his career, Heinrich Moser forged ties with the East. Established in 1828 in St. Petersburg, Heinrich Moser founded the company that bears his name, and he soon became known and found success. To sell the elegantly shaped high quality H. Moser & Cie. timepieces, he established a distribution network with independent retailers throughout the Russian Empire and along the Silk Road in Central Asia, Persia and China.

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In the footsteps of his father, Henri Moser, who was a tireless adventurer, experienced a similar fascination with Eastern cultures, which led him to amass an incredibly rich and varied collection of objects of Oriental origin. In 1914, he offered these pieces to the Bernisches Historisches Museum, as well as a donation that supported with the construction of the Moser Annex in 1922.

With this background, it was a natural choice for H. Moser & Cie. to hold this private event in the capital of Switzerland and invite Bucherer and their customers, as well as partners and friends to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the donation. Roger Nicholas Balsiger, great-grand-son of Heinrich Moser, President of the Heinrich and Henri Moser Foundation, shared his biographical and historical knowledge of the Moser family with guests, speaking with contagious enthusiasm. Edouard Meylan, CEO of H. Moser & Cie., provided the connection between the past and the present, showing that the heritage and entrepreneurial spirit of Heinrich Moser live on through the activities of the Manufacture and its ingenious products.

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Roger Balsiger, grand-nephew of Henri Moser, and Edouard Meylan,CEO H. Moser & Cie., in the Persian reception room on exhibition in the Oriental Collection at the Bernisches Historisches Museum, Bern, Switzerland.

Connections to IWC


International Watch Company (IWC)

Founded as the only manufacture in north-east Switzerland by an American, Florentine Ariosto Jones, IWC was in many ways an anomaly. Jones was a watchmaker who enlisted to fight for the Union in America’s Civil War, and returned home to resume his duties on the watchmaker’s bench. Engaged with the idea of using automatic machinery to assist in the Swiss watchmaking process to sell in the United States, Jones went to Switzerland in 1868 in an attempt to gain investment and open a factory. His ideas were generally poorly received by a Swiss watchmaking community who preferred the typical individually-owned shop system. Henri Moser, a Swiss watchmaker from Schaffhausen opened several workshops to make silver watch cases on contract. Over a ten year period, he managed to convince the local authorities to build a dam in Schaffhausen in order to harness the power of the Rhine river. This idea proved very successful, and his workshops had more power than they knew what to do with. Moser then met with Jones, who within one year had secured both Swiss citizenship and the rights to open a watch business in Schaffhausen. Jones met with many difficulties due to the remoteness of this city from the rest of watchmaking Switzerland. There was no easy supply of labor, parts took a long time to travel across country, and he had to fabricate machinery himself. It took several years and much searching for adequate financing before Jones’ factory began producing watches. Through automation, Jones could soon outproduce the very limited single-owner workshop system, and investors came flocking. Though Jones promised them an initial output of ten thousand pieces, the factory could produce only half of this amount, and his investors grew angered. To cap this off, even though the American Civil War was long over, the import taxes on foreign watches entering the United States was still twenty-five percent, a number which everyone thought would drop much sooner. Jones’ watches could not compete on price in the American market. Now that he had spent all of the investors money, he found he had no profits to reimburse them with. In 1876, he disappeared from Switzerland and returned to the United States where he lived out the remainder of his life. The company had produced several thousand fewer watches than promised to shareholders. Nonetheless, the watches produced were of good quality and represented a mix of American and Swiss watchmaking practices. The company was liquidated and the chief creditor, the Rauschenbach family, came to acquire it. They came to find that the name “International Watch Company”, due to the quality of the product, was so well regarded among consumers that there was value in keeping it. A watchmaking school was soon established within the factory to train workers, and this program became highly successful in providing a pool of highly trained craftsmen. In 1905 the company was inherited by five persons (one of them was the wife of the famed psychoanalyst Dr. Carl Jung), and Ernest Jakob Homberger took over direction of the company. Homberger carried the company through the first World War, and had to face the realities of losing the Russian market following the Bolshevik revolution, but the hardest challenges were following the Great Depression and ensuing international economic devastation. It was at this time that Homberger received sole ownership of the company, and under his direction, IWC pulled through the challenges of a Europe again at war. IWC began the first production of its famous pilots watches, featuring anti-magnetic technologies, in the rearming climate of 1936. In 1939, two Portuguese businessmen placed an order for wristwatches with the accuracy of a marine chronometer - then only achievable by converting a more accurate pocket watch movement and re-casing it into a wristwatch. These large wristwatches were the launch of the “Portugeiser” series of wristwatches, which would much later go on to become one of the company’s best-selling models. In 1946, IWC developed the soon-to-be-renowned caliber 89 movement, a caliber which would go into some of its most famous models, and continued to be used (due to its reliability and durability) for multiple decades. In 1955, Ernest Jakob Homberger died, and control of the company went to his son, Hans Ernst Homberger. The same year, IWC’s series of anti-magnetic watches designed for those engaged in scientific pursuits, the “Ingenieur”, was launched with an automatic movement. As with the rest of the industry, IWC was forced to deal with the upheavals of the Swiss “Quartz” crisis, but survived to be a strong brand into the present day, though it has been sold and traded between several holding groups.
 
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posted this a while ago in
"Any russian speakers"
https://omegaforums.net/threads/any-russian-speakers.49435/

its back!

so here are the photographs

Moser gave the translation
(Which i did not ask for)

from fen kubare and all of us who served in dear severo zapadny (moscow) with great affection to the very well respected fedor karlovich burkardt
Fedor K. Burkhardt (1854-1918), Landscape artist




But i was not told a movement manufacturer
(that was asked for)
 
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Wow thanks for the history lesson @FullyWound! I do have one question for you.... how many pounds of coffee did you go through during this research?😝
 
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Hey Kostas, can I tease you with this?

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Wolf's Teeth wheels! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 
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BWAHAA ! ok soooo?... because that to me looks EXACTLY the same!

No, not exactly but close and yet not close enough.

The FHF has the regulator needle markers on the centre train bridge, not the balance cock.

Look at the ratchet wheels, the Moser has a square remanent key wind boss, the FHF doesn't.
The Moser has wolf teeth ratchet wheels held by three screws, the FHF doesn't.
The second ratchet wheel on the Moser has three screws around a centre screw, the FHF doesn't.
The heel of the FHF balance cock is rounded, not like the sharp heel of the Moser.
The other bridges on the FHF are rounder at the ends, not sharp cut-offs like the Moser.

Now look again at the teaser I posted and see if you can see similarities between that movement and your gold Moser pocket watch movement.

Starting to "click" yet?

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"square remanent key wind boss" thats new!

So do you know what it is? no its not clicking should it be clicking should i know it? i dont know it... no click not here i see the differences.. thats clicked.. but what is in the watch!
 
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IWC? wait a minute...

no

67 but no swan neck regulator i DON'T im god awful at this! and still no wolf teeth

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Ta Daaaaaaaa!

::psy::::psy::::psy::::psy::

I think it is a LeCoultre ebauch that Moser finished to a high standard.

The design similarities, while almost like the IWC, FHF aren't quite there but the LeCoutre is nearly a direct copy.

Good detective work Kostas, now what is your next puzzle?

Cheers

Jim
 
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Ta Daaaaaaaa!

::psy::::psy::::psy::::psy::

I think it is a LeCoultre ebauch that Moser finished to a high standard.

The design similarities, while almost like the IWC, FHF aren't quite there but the LeCoutre is nearly a direct copy.

Good detective work Kostas, now what is your next puzzle?

Cheers

Jim
📖😁


think i should rename this thread Moser "general" or possibly open a new forum "HyMF"
 
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nice Borgel case but i have no idea where to start on this one..

with the Mosers at least we know "associated" makes but with the unmarked dial & case bar literally starting at
"1000 anonymous" and ending at "Zvezda (Zaria 2602)" with my true hero Dr. Ranfft how do you go about it?

Of course the answer here is tag in @JimInOz @Foo2rama @DirtyDozen12 but what if you COULDNT do that how do i do it on my own there's loads i recognise Like IWC 63 / 69 ASST Longines etc but what if you JUST dont know it.. Ranfft is alphabetical so knowing its age by hallmark dont help bar certification but you need to KNOW what your certifying first no?
 
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Using the DB is an art. Using the drill down search takes practice and can exclude the movement sometimes. Example is swan necks. Someone could take a base movement and add the Swan neck... regulators can have differences...