NEWpt 32 Caliber Recognition HELP ! Leonidas VENUS? M.w.co? hmmm....

FullyWound · Feb 1, 2017

@Foo2rama your normally my saving grace on these!... Batter up!

a really pretty Moser in untouched condition comes in a little moser stamped cloth and all! anyway theres ONE i think it could be but i wont say it so then thats all you see (if you get what i mean)

I need a caliber recognition help please! 26.3mm (movement) 31.7mm diameter (case w/o crown) Stunning little movement beautifully hand bevelled plates, cotes de geneve and pearling under balance No movement marks this side only henry Moser "shield" Is it a Moser in house or is it....?

Anyone know?

In advance THANK YOU

Foo2rama · Feb 1, 2017

I'm digging... I swear I have seen that movement before.

You can try digging with http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-2uswk.cgi?1&ranfft

Stunning Piece

Jwit · Feb 1, 2017

That is one gorgeous little watch. How did you come across it?

JimInOz · Feb 1, 2017

That's a lovely watch and a high quality movement but what an unusual barrel bridge set up. Where is the click located?

I'll have a look in my books but I think that's way too early for my reference material.

DirtyDozen12 · Feb 1, 2017

@JimInOz Here is the click.

JimInOz · Feb 2, 2017

DirtyDozen12
@JimInOz Here is the click.

I thought it might be. So it's a click spring held by the screw to the left of your box and "clicking" at the other end?

DirtyDozen12 · Feb 2, 2017

JimInOz
So it's a click spring held by the screw to the left of your box and "clicking" at the other end?

I believe so.

FullyWound · Feb 2, 2017

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Longines 10.86N ?

FullyWound · Feb 2, 2017

Foo2rama · Feb 2, 2017

Nope not that Longines.

FullyWound · Feb 2, 2017

Foo2rama
Nope not that Longines.

im pretty sure it WAS a 1068N with a different plate set up simply two piece rather than one the ionly thing that threw me was that 1068n is a stem set then i remember i do have a pin set... No?

Foo2rama · Feb 2, 2017

I'm looking at the screws, they do not line up the same way even if it is the same baseplate. They are definatley different screw locations.

I think its closer to an Eterna movement as the base, then modified, hence the hairspring carrier is different. The screw locations are much much more inline with these. Additionally the location of the hair spring not being 180 from the stem matches the Eterna and not the Longines which is closer to 180 degrees.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_96
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_520
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_600

FullyWound · Feb 2, 2017

Foo2rama
I'm looking at the screws, they do not line up the same way even if it is the same baseplate. They are definatley different screw locations.

I think its closer to an Eterna movement as the base, then modified, hence the hairspring carrier is different. The screw locations are much much more inline with these. Additionally the location of the hair spring not being 180 from the stem matches the Eterna and not the Longines which is closer to 180 degrees.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_96
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_520
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_600

are they not too late? inner case serial puts the Moser watch at 1890 1910 but absolutely no later.

DirtyDozen12 · Feb 2, 2017

Definitely not a Longines movement. It looks familiar but I cannot quite place it. Resembles this Paul Ditisheim but still not a match. Maybe the same source though...

Foo2rama · Feb 2, 2017

FullyWound
are they not too late? inner case serial puts the Moser watch at 1890 1910 but absolutely no later.

Yes but perhaps a clue on the quest.

FullyWound · Feb 2, 2017

they should program AI that does this using facial recognition software....

DirtyDozen12 · Feb 2, 2017

@FullyWound Have you tried asking on WUS? There are a few members that would likely know.

FullyWound · Feb 2, 2017

DirtyDozen12
@FullyWound Have you tried asking on WUS? There are a few members that would likely know.

Im not a member because it will never send me my log in verification email (no its not in spam) i have tried a half dozen times and then just gave up..

It would be pretty cool of you if you could jam a picture on there for me tho? if thats not WAY too cheeky

gatorcpa · Feb 2, 2017

Someone posted for you over at WuS:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/h-moser-cie-movement-identification-4006306.html

The people there found another watch with a very similar movement, which also was unidentified.

I think @DirtyDozen12 is on the right track with Paul Ditisheim. Moser generally purchased their movements from other companies and re-branded them. Most that I saw were FHF (Fountainmelon) calibers, but yours is different.

Here is a post I found from NAWCC showing two 1910's pocketwatches with very similar movements:

http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?92430-Paul-Ditisheim-Gold-Pocket-Watch

My guess is that yours watch was made around 1914-1920.

It is in excellent condition, but I would not call it "NOS". That means New, Old Stock. As in never sold by the jeweler. It looks like your crown may have been replaced, as it is gold, while the rest of the watch is silver in color. Not sure if the case is sterling, nickel or some other nickel/silver alloy. I don't see any silver hallmarks in your pictures.

Still a wonderful find!
gatorcpa

JimInOz · Feb 2, 2017

DirtyDozen12
Definitely not a Longines movement. It looks familiar but I cannot quite place it. Resembles this Paul Ditisheim but still not a match. Maybe the same source though...

I agree, the similarities are there to convince me that Moser bought ebauches from Ditisheim and maybe did some additional work on them.

Edit: And seeing the watches that Evan just posted convinces me even more.