Lange or Journe

S.Song · Jan 14, 2020

jhross98
Lange values have imploded the last several years. New watches routinely can be had at a 30 pct plus discount. Even the pinnacle of pinnacles the tourbillon pour la merite is down 50 pct peak to now. Something is very wrong in Lange world

Journe values are up 50 pct plus in the last few years with many non limited watches now trading above msrp on release as he has phased out older models (Patek strategy)

They will never stop making Lange 1s so the values will never hold

Totally apart from this, in my purely personal opinion, several other watches look like a lange. The first 10 years of journe to me are all time classic genta level design pieces and total originals

The new models, not my cup of tea but to each his own

Buy what you like of course.. But if you're the kind of guy who doesn't care what the secondary market value of your 50k watch purchase is likely to be than you also aren't probably the kind of guy asking opinions on a watch board...

Agreed with this. Scratching my head wondering what's going on in the world of Lange. Could it be some of Richemont policy?

Cozmopak · Feb 13, 2020

I’ve been following some threads on RolexForums regarding Journe. They read like boglehead investment forums. The Chronometre Bleu is now worth over 50k.

pongster · Feb 13, 2020

Cozmopak
In what way does the secondary market tell me what I need to know?

FPJ CB is selling above retail.

Not sure if there is any ALS selling above retail.

That said, i believe in the power of “AND” not the tyranny of “OR”.

Cad290 · Feb 13, 2020

P pongster
FPJ CB is selling above retail.

Not sure if there is any ALS selling above retail.

That said, i believe in the power of “AND” not the tyranny of “OR”.

I don’t think you can get the Lange Odysseus for retail. If you can, please let me know where!

jhross98 · Feb 13, 2020

Cozmopak
I’ve been following some threads on RolexForums regarding Journe. They read like boglehead investment forums. The Chronometre Bleu is now worth over 50k.

Completely astonishing what this has done price wise. Crazy. Owned one for a time bought and sold it mid 20s. I loved the dial but thought the hands seemed cheap

Cozmopak · Feb 13, 2020

There’s one for sale now on chrono24 for an asking price of 66,000 dollars.

pongster · Feb 13, 2020

Cad290
I don’t think you can get the Lange Odysseus for retail. If you can, please let me know where!

My bad. The odysseus escaped my mind. Is it in stores already? Maybe it doesnt appeal to that’s why i didnt think of it. When somebody says Lange, what i think of is the Lange 1, the Zeitwerk and the Datograph (the three pieces i want in my stash).

pongster · Feb 13, 2020

Cozmopak
There’s one for sale now on chrono24 for an asking price of 66,000 dollars.

Of a CB or an Odysseus? I think both have same SRP, more or less. One made of tantalum, the other in steel.

pongster · Feb 13, 2020

P pongster
FPJ CB is selling above retail.

Not sure if there is any ALS selling above retail.

That said, i believe in the power of “AND” not the tyranny of “OR”.

My Chronometer Bleu and Grand Lange 1 sitting comfortably to each other -

MTROIS · Feb 13, 2020

Cozmopak
I’ve been following some threads on RolexForums regarding Journe. They read like boglehead investment forums. The Chronometre Bleu is now worth over 50k.

One of the many reasons why I no longer spend any time on that forum....
Long live OF!!!!!

MTROIS · Feb 13, 2020

jhross98
Completely astonishing what this has done price wise. Crazy. Owned one for a time bought and sold it mid 20s. I loved the dial but thought the hands seemed cheap

Yes, a beautiful watch, but has also become overhyped. I wished I would have pulled the trigger sooner on this one, and although I am still on the Journe waiting list, the chances of me getting one are probably slim to none.

Cad290 · Feb 13, 2020

P pongster
My bad. The odysseus escaped my mind. Is it in stores already? Maybe it doesnt appeal to that’s why i didnt think of it. When somebody says Lange, what i think of is the Lange 1, the Zeitwerk and the Datograph (the three pieces i want in my stash).

I haven’t seen one for sale yet. Lange told me they only offer them to prior customers. While I do own and appreciate the 1815 chronograph, I did not buy it through a boutique because it is available at large discount second hand.

RazorFrazer · Feb 13, 2020

Journe for sure. Except foe the datograph lumen ...

pongster · Feb 13, 2020

Cad290
I haven’t seen one for sale yet. Lange told me they only offer them to prior customers. While I do own and appreciate the 1815 chronograph, I did not buy it through a boutique because it is available at large discount second hand.

I bought my ALS through a boutique. At a significant discount. Havent been offered the Odysseus yet.

But your experience in secondary marker is i guess the point of poster above.

Am curious though about performance of non-CB Journes in the secondary market.

jhross98 · Feb 13, 2020

P pongster
I bought my ALS through a boutique. At a significant discount. Havent been offered the Odysseus yet.

But your experience in secondary marker is i guess the point of poster above.

Am curious though about performance of non-CB Journes in the secondary market.

Journe 38mm and discontinued models are going absolutely bonkers right now....

pongster · Feb 14, 2020

jhross98
Journe 38mm and discontinued models are going absolutely bonkers right now....

Why would a manufacturer discontinue a model in demand? I would suppose there ought to be a replacement model.

NT931 · Feb 14, 2020

P pongster
Why would a manufacturer discontinue a model in demand? I would suppose there ought to be a replacement model.

Possible reasons discussed here: http://thejourneguy.com/why-the-cb-production-is-becoming-more-limited-for-2019/

That aside, being the owner of a L1 and a CB, I have to say Lange and Journe are both beautiful watches for quite different reasons.

Lange is more formal, the FPJ is more versatile, and either would be a worthy addition to any collection.

Cozmopak · Feb 14, 2020

NT931
Possible reasons discussed here: http://thejourneguy.com/why-the-cb-production-is-becoming-more-limited-for-2019/

That aside, being the owner of a L1 and a CB, I have to say Lange and Journe are both beautiful watches for quite different reasons.

Lange is more formal, the FPJ is more versatile, and either would be a worthy addition to any collection.

I agree. Both are beautiful for different reasons. Just my personal opinion, but I do think that the Lange designs, being more traditional, may hold up better to the test of time than many of Journes designs. But obviously no one can predict.

Cad290 · Feb 14, 2020

P pongster
I bought my ALS through a boutique. At a significant discount. Havent been offered the Odysseus yet.

But your experience in secondary marker is i guess the point of poster above.

Am curious though about performance of non-CB Journes in the secondary market.

Have you asked for the Odysseus?

rahilb · Feb 14, 2020

For me, if I was spending this kind of money on a watch I would try to be a patron of independent watchmakers, to support the art. I would look at Voulitanen for purely aesthetic reasons, or Roger Smith to support the British watchmaking industry.

To stay on topic though I would definitely go for a Journe over a Lange. To me the design language of Journe is so much more compelling, it’s hyper modern but at the same time classic and Art Deco; they have created their own language. Lange on the other hand seems contrived as it leans into very Bauhaus style utilitarianism. Of course Lange were probably the pioneers for these kind of designs, but that was so long ago and the style is so ubiquitous now for me they feel cliche. I guess it’s just a new version of the ‘Seinfeld isn’t funny’ trope: ‘Lange designs are boring’.