Lanco Pocket Watch Issue

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So this has thrown me for a loop. I've taken this bad boy apart and cleaned it twice, looked under the microscope at the pivots and all look good. Lubricant on every post and triple checked everything moves freely before I put the pallet fork and balance in place. Then this... It WANTS to work but dies. I don't see anything dragging or slowing it down and this is a full wind on the spring. I'm open to all the ideas, besides tossing it against a wall. 馃槀
 
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Have you let it run down (or unwound the mainspring under control)? If not, do that first.
Then remove the balance and pallet.

Give the mainspring a wind (just a few turns) and see if the train runs without hinderance.
Ideally, you should get a little backlash/backrun in the train right at the end as the mainspring recoils.

Let's know how that goes.
 
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Can be a loose pallet, bent banking stop, bent pivot, bent hairspring, balance and hairspring touching, ... also if the staff was changed there is quite often a loose paper shim under the bridge if the staff height was wrong. If there was and you discarded it, it won't run so you may have to put the balance without pallet to check if it goes smoothly. Also double check the balance jewels.
 
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Badly magnetized? Does it perform face UP the way it performs face down? It could be a bruised upper pivot on the balance staff?
 
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Have you let it run down (or unwound the mainspring under control)? If not, do that first.
Then remove the balance and pallet.

Give the mainspring a wind (just a few turns) and see if the train runs without hinderance.
Ideally, you should get a little backlash/backrun in the train right at the end as the mainspring recoils.

Let's know how that goes.
 
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Badly magnetized? Does it perform face UP the way it performs face down? It could be a bruised upper pivot on the balance staff?
Good call, I haven't de-magnetized it yet. I'll do that when I get home. I can send pictures of the staffs under microscope.
 
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Can be a loose pallet, bent banking stop, bent pivot, bent hairspring, balance and hairspring touching, ... also if the staff was changed there is quite often a loose paper shim under the bridge if the staff height was wrong. If there was and you discarded it, it won't run so you may have to put the balance without pallet to check if it goes smoothly. Also double check the balance jewels.
I'll run through all these when I get home. Awesome knowledge here, thank you.
 
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Does the mainspring barrel move freely. It could be in a bind. You should be able to get the watch to run with the mainspring down and apply a little bit of torque (in the proper direction, of course).
 
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Please describe your cleaning process. Fluids used, equipment?
 
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Does the mainspring barrel move freely. It could be in a bind. You should be able to get the watch to run with the mainspring down and apply a little bit of torque (in the proper direction, of course).
Yes, I am able to spin the barrel without the pallet fork and it spins the entire train. I can provide a video after work.
 
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Have you had success with that ultrasonic machine in cleaning watches? Have you had success with that leaning solution for cleaning watches? Have you checked the jewelled bearings for cleanliness after your cleaning procedure? Gummed lubricants can be stubborn to remove if you use a cleaner and a solution which is not up to the job.
 
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Have you had success with that ultrasonic machine in cleaning watches? Have you had success with that leaning solution for cleaning watches? Have you checked the jewelled bearings for cleanliness after your cleaning procedure? Gummed lubricants can be stubborn to remove if you use a cleaner and a solution which is not up to the job.
I've had success with all the cleaning processes before with 2 omegas I serviced. I looked at all the jewels for old lubricant (and with this watch there was a lot actually) I used a balsa wood stick to break up and wipe away any residue and cleaned with the corner of the microfiber. That was on the main plate. The jewels all got a look at with the microscope and cleaned with the balsa tip. I didn't see any residue. It legit looked like someone dipped this watch in oil before me.
 
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The ultrasonic machine shown in your post has roughly half the cleaning power of an ultrasonic machine designed for the purpose. Gummed oil can still contaminate the pivots, even if the jewels appear to be clean. Pithwood can be used to mechanically remove contaminates from the pivots.
 
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The ultrasonic machine shown in your post has roughly half the cleaning power of an ultrasonic machine designed for the purpose. Gummed oil can still contaminate the pivots, even if the jewels appear to be clean. Pithwood can be used to mechanically remove contaminates from the pivots.
Have to live within my means, I'm saving up for a better cleaner all around. I'll run a pass of Pithwood in the jewels, maybe there is some gummed up lubricant there. I'll try tonight after work.
 
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Something I missed earlier. Notice the 4 little marks aligned under the balance cock? This kind of small dimples were usually punched in the metal after a balance staff repair, to get more clearance for the balance if somehow the staff is too high (same purpose as adding a paper shim between cock and baseplate). Something was done here at some point.
 
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Something I missed earlier. Notice the 4 little marks aligned under the balance cock? This kind of small dimples were usually punched in the metal after a balance staff repair, to get more clearance for the balance if somehow the staff is too high (same purpose as adding a paper shim between cock and baseplate). Something was done here at some point.
That's interesting and I did not know. So I should look for that paper shim? I'll send pictures of the balance underside and top side. This is a learning experience for sure! I appreciate the input. Would a new balance be a solution? I absolutely LOVE this watch (the look and the case just fit) so I'd love to get it running. Thank you for helping with this! I'll send pictures tonight.
 
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This may sound silly, but finding out what the problem IS involves find out what the problem ISN鈥橳, by a process of elimination. Take the pallets and pallet bridge out, then put the balance wheel and balance cock back in, and test the balance for freedom. Test it for freedom face up, and face down. Check the balance for end shake. Test freedom of the balance wheel FACE UP and FACE DOWN. Is the hairspring cupped UP and rubbing on the balance cock? Is the hairspring cupped DOWN and dragging on the balance arms? Is it canted toward the centre wheel, the outer coil dragging on the centre wheel. Has a screw on the rim of the balance loosened and the screw dragging either on the recess in the pillar plate for the balance wheel, or on the heel of the balance cock? Has the roller table loosened, dropped on the staff, now rubbing on the pallet fork. Or perhaps rubbing on the pillar plate. Troubleshooting a watch isn鈥檛 neurosurgery. It just means you need to think about the process, one step at a time.
 
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This may sound silly, but finding out what the problem IS involves find out what the problem ISN鈥橳, by a process of elimination. Take the pallets and pallet bridge out, then put the balance wheel and balance cock back in, and test the balance for freedom. Test it for freedom face up, and face down. Check the balance for end shake. Test freedom of the balance wheel FACE UP and FACE DOWN. Is the hairspring cupped UP and rubbing on the balance cock? Is the hairspring cupped DOWN and dragging on the balance arms? Is it canted toward the centre wheel, the outer coil dragging on the centre wheel. Has a screw on the rim of the balance loosened and the screw dragging either on the recess in the pillar plate for the balance wheel, or on the heel of the balance cock? Has the roller table loosened, dropped on the staff, now rubbing on the pallet fork. Or perhaps rubbing on the pillar plate. Troubleshooting a watch isn鈥檛 neurosurgery. It just means you need to think about the process, one step at a time.
Good info. I'll give it a shot tonight. Good way to look at things. Much appreciated.
 
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Ok. De-magnetized it. Installed balance by itself and I realized there is a lot of play and it's not as free spinning as I'd like. I think I'm going to take it all apart and give it a much more in depth cleaning. Like I said, this thing was dripping old lubricant. Pictures and videos for reference. If anyone sees anything I'm missing lemme know or any other ideas. I did not see any shims of paper.