Is my Vintage Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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I've just weighed an ETA quartz movement of that period along with a crystal of approx size, a crystal gasket, a movement ring and stem. Also a couple of spring bars and a few bracelet pins for good measure.
That came in at 16 grams.
On top of that, there is the bezel insert which is glass I think on these. If it has a divers extension on the bracelet that will also be steel I imagine.
I think 20 grams of non gold content is likely close to correct.

It's a difficult watch to price, partly because there are so few with which to reference previous sales.
It's undoubtedly very collectable as a watch,but it's precious metal content lifts it out of the reach of many enthusiasts. It's a small niche market compared to the precious metal market.

I think if you can sell for a few hundred Euros above scrap value that would be a good result. It would also be satisfying to know the watch would live on with a collector who appreciated it for what it is.
Thank You again, this is a good point of view. The real value maybe is not market based because of the shortage and the niche of this particular model. A couple hundreds € are not a big incentive to sell considering the gold trend. Maybe in future the watch itself will be more valuable and keeping it in a 85 "time capsule" could be interesting.
 
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Ah, there it is. Man with a great taste!
Yes, indeed !
I bow to anyone who saves beautiful watches from the gold scrappers! 👍
 
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Barbarians!
Philistines!
I've watched them pry beautiful movements out of cases with pliers and screwdrivers. Snapping stems and bending bridge plates, no care for anything except gold.
I used to have a beautiful Vacheron movement which had been trashed like that, made me sad every time I looked at it 😞
 
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Did Mr. HoltzPlatz buy one a couple of years ago? Can’t find it in the archives. 5k I thought
Yes indeed I did, and nearly at the melt value of the gold at that time. I don't wear it much as it's very tight on my wrist. And as if the watch itself isn't difficult enough to collect, imagine trying to find a couple original gold links for it! 🤨 I may have to just source some generic ones to toss under/near the buckle. On the to-do-list now.
 
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Thank You again, this is a good point of view. The real value maybe is not market based because of the shortage and the niche of this particular model. A couple hundreds € are not a big incentive to sell considering the gold trend. Maybe in future the watch itself will be more valuable and keeping it in a 85 "time capsule" could be interesting.
I received many offers to buy mine right here on this forum. From people I've never seen here before who are avid collectors of these Heuer dive watches, like myself. If you haven't heard anything yet I can provide them with your contact info if you'd like.
 
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Yes indeed I did, and nearly at the melt value of the gold at that time. I don't wear it much as it's very tight on my wrist. And as if the watch itself isn't difficult enough to collect, imagine trying to find a couple original gold links for it! 🤨 I may have to just source some generic ones to toss under/near the buckle. On the to-do-list now.
A gold plated clasp extender perhaps?
May look better than non matching links.
 
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I received many offers to buy mine right here on this forum. From people I've never seen here before who are avid collectors of these Heuer dive watches, like myself. If you haven't heard anything yet I can provide them with your contact info if you'd like.
Thank You very much for Your help, I really appreciate. I'll pm You later
 
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Barbarians!
So sad seeing this, especially on the model Senna wore! 😢

But they missed the crown. I believe it's solid gold too on the 6000 bi-metal models. Mine has a fairly deep nick on the crown and the gold runs through & through.
 
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Hello Members. Some of you may know me from Omegaforums, where I'm a regular, but I haven't really taken the leap into Heuer and therefore haven't participated here.

However, I recently had the opportunity to buy a lot of watches locally (a non-collector inherited a collection from a friend) and it included a Heuer Autavia GMT chronograph. I had obviously seen them in passing, but they really aren't in my wheelhouse and I didn't have a lot of time to do research. It was dirty and had some spots on the sub-dials, the case was worn but pretty sharp and it had a nice Gay Freres Heuer-marked bracelet that seemed plausibly correct. Overall, my gut feeling was good about it and it was appealing to the naked eye. Also, I was more familiar with some of the other watches in the collection, and they were all honest pieces, although some were not particularly desirable, the previous owner had very eclectic taste (for example, including quartz Movado museum watches, 1940s gold-plated ladies cocktail watches, and others). Long story short, I educated the seller as best I could, bought everything decent for cash, and the seller was happy. Actually, there were some decent pocket watches, but I just told the seller what I knew about them and gave her the name of a good auction house. I'm not buying PWs these days, especially not in gold cases. What's the point of paying for gold that you'd never have the heart to scrap.

Since then, I've opened it up (actually not that easy to do), compared it to the onthedash collectors guide (https://www.onthedash.com/watches/2446-c-gmt/) and it generally seems to line up with Mark 3 features at first glance, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm missing something. This may not be the right thread, because I'm pretty sure the watch is authentic (i.e. not a fake), but I'd be very grateful for any information the experts would be willing to share.

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Hi everyone,

Please could you help authenticate this Heuer Monnin 844 that I picked up from eBay last week?

I've been having my doubts for a couple of reasons, the Heuer logo seems a little low down and perhaps slightly off centre compared to others I've seen.

I did also get it for a bit of a bargain compared to what others are selling for, although it is the quartz version so I know they don't sell for as much as the automatics.

Any help would be appreciated!


 
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^ Last post by @pnh moved to this specific thread about vintage Heuer authenticity
 
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Hi everyone,

Please could you help authenticate this Heuer Monnin 844 that I picked up from eBay last week?

I've been having my doubts for a couple of reasons, the Heuer logo seems a little low down and perhaps slightly off centre compared to others I've seen.

I did also get it for a bit of a bargain compared to what others are selling for, although it is the quartz version so I know they don't sell for as much as the automatics.

Any help would be appreciated!


I think we've seen your watch on the forum before and fairly recently!

I can't see any obvious red flags but I'm not an expert on the 844. There are loads of minor variations on these.
The ESA 536.121 movement and case is correct, it may have had some restoration, new bezel insert perhaps. Not sure if the hands should be cathedral rather than mercedes.
The Heuer branding was added to oursourced dials I think. The logo itself and print quality looks ok to me.
 
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I think we've seen your watch on the forum before and fairly recently!

I can't see any obvious red flags but I'm not an expert on the 844. There are loads of minor variations on these.
The ESA 536.121 movement and case is correct, it may have had some restoration, new bezel insert perhaps. Not sure if the hands should be cathedral rather than mercedes.
The Heuer branding was added to oursourced dials I think. The logo itself and print quality looks ok to me.


I expect this to arrive next week. My knowledge of the 844(0) Heuer's is also not sufficient. But regarding this one, I am almost certain that it is still authentic. I'm looking forward to it!
 
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@pnh This one has a serial number within a couple of thousand of yours and the logo placement looks similar.
It's also lacking the "Made in" text.
 
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I expect this to arrive next week. My knowledge of the 844(0) Heuer's is also not sufficient. But regarding this one, I am almost certain that it is still authentic. I'm looking forward to it!
That is nice @mattp
Dial looks very comparable to the OP although his logo looks a little lower.
I see yours has the cathedral hands, probably a hand change on the OP's example.
 
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That is nice @mattp
Dial looks very comparable to the OP although his logo looks a little lower.
I see yours has the cathedral hands, probably a hand change on the OP's example.and the bezel insert

That is nice @mattp
Dial looks very comparable to the OP although his logo looks a little lower.
I see yours has the cathedral hands, probably a hand change on the OP's example.
Yes, and the bezel insert.