Who Can Provide Photos of Early El Primero Movements?

Jeff Stein · Jun 28, 2013

Who here can provide some good photos of early El Primero movements? I have searched the web, and seen most of the usual photos, but none are really exceptional. Does anyone here have any good ones to share? Seeking to show the beauty of the movement / design / construction!!

Thanks in advance!!

Jeff

BGBG · Jun 28, 2013

Here you are jeff some pictures of the beautiful el primero [ 3019 phc ] and [ 3019 phf ]

MMMD · Jun 29, 2013

The thing to do is get the rotor off and break it down, as BGBG has done. I don't have the skills. Here are some shots of the innards of my G381:

jud · Jun 29, 2013

Very nice. Thanks guys.

Jeff Stein · Jul 1, 2013

Here's a quick image that I put together using a couple of photos from MMMD, and my own photo of a Heuer Cal 11.

They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it's hard to imagine that anyone could prefer the looks of the Cal 11.

Jeff

ulackfocus · Jul 1, 2013

Hey Marc, you can now say you have pictures that were published. 😉

..... sort of. 😜

MMMD · Jul 1, 2013

Cool! The Cal 11 is not bad looking, but so much is hidden inside the sandwich - I really need an exploded diagram to appreciate that one.

Jeff Stein · Jul 1, 2013

OK . . . here it is!!

Is there such a diagram / diagrams for the El Primero?

Jeff

Stewart H · Jul 1, 2013

Here is a link to the technical manual:

http://www.awci.com/wp-content/uploads/watch-tech-guides/zenith/3019PHC.pdf

There isn't an exploded view, but plenty of technical information.

LouS · Jul 1, 2013

Then there are those spectacular diagrams NIcola posted on O&F - can anyone find the thread?

papaebetu · Jul 1, 2013

Other nice original diagrams here: http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=31321982&st=105 😉

GIGI

Jeff Stein · Jul 4, 2013

Here is my contribution, in honor of my new friends on this forum. Reference A 787 . . . with a display back. Some scratches on the movement and on the crystal, but still captures the beauty of the movement (to my eyes).

Jeff

papaebetu · Jul 4, 2013

A grail....original glass caseback from '70

GIGI

Veritas99 · Aug 2, 2013

Not to resurrect this thread, but I've come into possession of some Zenith press photos of a 3019 PHC that I thought belonged here:

For those with BIG monitors, here are the links to the original, wallpaper-worth versions:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2821/9426230276_850b3f4956_o.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3798/9426231032_09b39564e4_o.jpg

dsio · Aug 2, 2013

Very cool those pics, I'll pull the high res ones down and upload them here a bit later so they don't get lost in the future thanks mate!

MMMD · Aug 4, 2013

citizenrich
How old?

How old? This old:

Ebel brought these out in 1986 for their 75th anniversary, helping to resurrect the El Primero after a decade of dormancy. The Ebel cal 134 was almost always a cal 400 El Primero, though I think I have seen one using a transitional cal 40.0. This movement wouldn't have been finished until at least 1986. I would guess this one comes from the late 80's, and probably not later than the early 90's.

dsio · Aug 4, 2013

MMMD
Ebel brought these out in 1986 for their 75th anniversary, helping to resurrect the El Primero after a decade of dormancy. The Ebel cal 134 was almost always a cal 400 El Primero, though I think I have seen one using a transitional cal 40.0. This movement wouldn't have been finished until at least 1986. I would guess this one comes from the late 80's, and probably not later than the early 90's. How old? This old:

Damn that's a haircut

MMMD · Aug 4, 2013

dsio
Damn that's a haircut

It is one of the finest mullets the world has ever known.

ulackfocus · Aug 4, 2013

dsio
Damn that's a haircut

MMMD
It is one of the finest mullets the world has ever known.

So much so that hockey players had it for decades afterwards. 😜