What’s on your watchmaker's bench today?

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Still the usual pile of rusted 55x/56x stuff. I just got some more parts in the last couple weeks. So the bench does seem to be doing the job as a parts breeding nest. Which would be fine apart that parts breeding is expensive as they tend to average around 35USD each.

Need to clear some of this so I can see what the 354 stuff is like.
 
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Today, a rather seldom seen kid:
Seiko 7a34-7010

The 7a34 is similar to the 7a38 but date only at 12. Mainplate is in the cleaning solution, pushers yet to be removed from the case. After cleaning all parts, reasambling and oiling.

Right now, only the small second hands is moving and the movement is full of tiny glass slivers, probably from a broken crystal.

I will keep you updated with the progress and hopefully a good outcome,

kind regards Max

 
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Progress of todays work, cleaning, polishing the crystal, all the bridges and the keyless works in place.

To get an idea of the parts size I borrowed the cheapo microscope from my little daughter.

The part on the 1 Cent coin is one of the four rotors, driving the wheel train, the chrono second hand, the 1/10 th hand and the minute counter.

kind regards Max

 
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How do you service movements where there's no drawing or guides for it? Is it just taking it all out and trying to figure out how it works?
 
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How do you service movements where there's no drawing or guides for it? Is it just taking it all out and trying to figure out how it works?
When I try out a new caliber and no documentation is available I make pics from each step taking it apart, sometimes a few pics of each step. Also looking for videos on youtube helped a lot in the past. Also sorting and storing the parts in the sequence of dissasambling. After cleaning, just start with the pics from the end.

Kind regards, Max
 
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How do you service movements where there's no drawing or guides for it? Is it just taking it all out and trying to figure out how it works?
I take a TON of pictures while taking it apart so I know how it goes back together, and keep my screws organized per step. A vast majority of the watches I work on (just a hobbyist) don't have drawings/guides.

For the most part, just moving things around/watching it move is enough to figure out how it works. A vast majority of watches all work the same way (at least for the 3 hands, and date mechanisms are reasonably similar/etc), so you can figure it out once and see common parts between them.
 
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How do you service movements where there's no drawing or guides for it? Is it just taking it all out and trying to figure out how it works?
In a word, yes.

Photos help certainly, but as you are disassembling, make sure you understand how things go together and why. When you actually understand how it works, then it's easy to put back together and you can rely less on photos. Following guides and photos will get the job done certainly, but you don't just want to be a bot placing parts in a pattern - you want to truly understand what's going on with the parts and how they accomplish what the watch is capable of doing. Knowing this is worth much more than just having a guide...
 
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Finished today, Pushers cleaned and installed with new seals, date mechanism set, hands set and a final test,

kind regards Max

 
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I love the word ludicrous. @ErichKeane 's parts arrived yesterday. Was up till 2AM sorting stuff.



So many rabbit holes. what fits what? Downloading and printing data sheets. Chasing threads. Like the SN tables in the 2577 thread. Making mistakes 2577, 2576, 2635 and seeing others make similar jumps to judgements.

There is even parts more on the way. Not knowing when/if I would receive Erich's project (posted above in this thread.) I ordered parts needed for the 354 that started all this search.

Not everything on the bench at the moment is a bumper. The 55x El rusto is also still on the bench off to the side of the bumpers.

Some of this is also stuff that is somewhat beyond repair. Hairsprings are few and far between. Jewels are missing/cracked tired worn plates and bushings.

So much of this is illusion.
 
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I serviced this Grand Seiko Quartz Cal 4843 at the weekend. Despite the case, dial and bracelet being in great condition, it was a non-runner that I bought for about £100. I don't have much experience mending quartz movements and have no real testing equipment, so went into it with some trepidation. The el-cheapo quartz tester from eBay detected an electric pulse, so I figured the gear train was jammed and potentially within my skill set to sort.

It was straightforward. In fact, the movement is modular in design, meaning that some of the more fiddly aspects came as preassembled units (e.g. seconds wheel jumper and the cam mechanism for setting the seconds hand at 10s intervals when pulling out the crown). The dial side of the movement was much the same as any mechanical watch.

A green, sticky gloop was present on the bridges and on the gears themselves. Perhaps a leaky battery at some point? After careful cleaning, particularly of the gear teeth, and reassembly, it thankfully sprang back into life. Unfortunately, I don't have the quartz testing equipment, to be able to 'trim' the movement for accuracy or to check for current drain. So it's a bit of a job half-done. However, it hasn't lost a second over 48hrs, and is, thus far, working fine, so perhaps I'll get away with it...

These early high end Seiko quartz watches are great. Very well made movements with the 'grammar of design' cue taken from their (much more expensive) mechanical KS/GS counterparts.
 
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Must be making progress.

I managed to flick not one, but two ratchet sector pawl screws somewhere. Somehow they seemed to have morphed into yokes. Some time ago I lost a yoke. but this time I found two on the floor sweep. I had swept the floor many times looking for the missing yoke. I suspect I will have to loose something else to find the missing screws.

Everything got moved from one side of the bench to the other and back again.

One of the job lots I should be getting this week, should another ratchet pawl. This was the rusty one I was practicing on. So not a big deal. The second one was being used to see if there was a spare in the misc collection of screws.

 
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I actually have the cover. If I did not use it often I would probably leave it on and keep the dust off.

The photo really shows the dust. Probably should dust off the stuff in the back again. I tend to use the glass 'mouse brain' covers on stuff in progress that has been cleaned.

edit: the amount of dust on the bench is probably inversely proportional to the number of parts lost. Then like the rust rat some of the parts turn to dust, so I tend not to clean as often when de-rusting parts.
 
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Row of shame… well also known as returns. After 14 months of no returns they all arrived in the same week… Omega balance staff was broken, so not really a return but a separate repair to the service. Doxa has an issue with hands alignment (I did test for over a week, but not good enough) also now has an extra high crystal fitted to help with clearance of sweep second hand. Wyler sweep second hand had come loose, that could have been fitted tighter… Eterna was a funny one with perfect timekeeping for 6 months (aka +4sec a day) but 4th wheel had loosened from riveting and tilted blocking the gear-train… go figure that one😅
 
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My 18-size, 21-jewel Illinois model 6.



The watch.

Stripped.


In the ultrasonic in L & R Extra fine cleaning solution, two rinses in L & R #3 rinse in L & R centrifugal machine, heat dry.
Cleaned, rinsed, dried, ready for assembly.

Finished later.

Later on. Finished.

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Wow pretty much all of you have insane setups. One day!
 
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A question for Canuck. It looks like you removed some chatons, but not all. Is there a reason?
 
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A question for Canuck. It looks like you removed some chatons, but not all. Is there a reason?
I suspect you were looking at the pictures of the watch when it was stripped. There are six gold chatons on the top plate of the finished movement. Three of those chatons contain a hole jewel, and three chatons contain a CAP jewel. The cleaning process involves removing all chatons containing cap jewels on the top plate (3 of them), and 3 on the pillar plate. If you look at the finished movement, you’ll see SIX chatons, all in place. You were likely looking at the brass chatons beneath the cap jewels. On watches such as this one, I remove the cap jewels for the cleaning process, but I LEAVE the hole jewels in their proper position, held in place with their retainer screws. Jewel hole sizes often differ on such watches, and if you remove the hole jewels for cleaning, trying to find which hole jewel belongs in which hole can be a challenge! Check the completed movement. The chatons are all there. No corners cut!
 
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As to the question of "What's on your Watchmaker's bench to day"? I don't know....I'll have to call him and find out!
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