Watchmaking Profession for a Young Person?

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My daughter will be graduating High School in one and half years, and needs to think about a career. At this point, it doesn't look like university will be the right path for her. She is really good with her hands and enjoys fine detail work. I imagine she might be good at watchmaking, but before I encourage her to consider it I want to know more.

Clearly there is a shortage of watchmakers at the moment, and I can imagine it would not be difficult to find business if one were properly trained and equipped. However, I got to wondering if it is a good long-term career for a young person. There seems to be a trend towards manufacturers either servicing in house, or using low cost swap and toss movements. Cutting off the parts supply to independent watchmakers is also a worrying trend.

I would be curious to know what you all think? The upfront investment in education and tools would be significant, but compared to the cost of a University education in the U.S. it may not be much.
 
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Depends if she wants to work on clocks or watches : watches are parts-dependent, clocks much less so. Two different career paths.
 
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Depends if she wants to work on clocks or watches : watches are parts-dependent, clocks much less so. Two different career paths.

Much more likely watches than clocks, but at this point it is more my idea than hers.
 
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Learning the craft would involve attending a school that offers the required training. I am certain the costs involved and the discipline would be equivalent to college or university. It sounds as though a career in the craft might be your idea! You need to introduce her to the idea, and decide if this might be the future career for her as well.

https://hs-ny.org/watchmaking-schools-programs

There is a possibility that an on line course of some sort might allow her to dip her toe in the trade. I have never tried to find these courses, and I don’t know what opinions there are as to what value they might be. Those of us in the craft have strong opinions as to the right way to do things.

Speaking personally, my training was by apprenticeship with my late father, and that training started back when we were working on watches that are considered obsolete today. But such watches are very often what people are collecting, today. A background in repairing modern as well as antique and vintage watches would be necessary in my view.

It would take years to learn a level of proficiency in watch repairing before she would be able to make a living doing it. She would need to be the right person in the right circumstances to make this work.
 
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Is she near or able to travel to Seattle? Norwest School of Horology have a good watch program. Email Marilyn Willard for info. [email protected]

She could try out watchmaking by taking a classs that puts together a watch. @Mad Dog took it (twice, I think.) I think it was through the https://www.nawcc.org/

Upcoming in PA:

https://net.nawcc.org/NAWCC/Events/Event_Display.aspx?EventKey=CL120923.


If watch making doesn't work out, how about being a commercial pilot? There's a shortage of pilots and a shortage of women pilots. Funny thing, @Mad Dog might be a good source of info for this too.

Check out Mesa Airlines. They have a program that takes you from zero to hero in about a year and a half. I know people who went through this program and have been flying commercial for decades. It's legit.

https://www.mesa-air.com/mesa-pilot-development

Good luck. I wasn't able to convince either of my two daughters to become watchmakers or pilots.
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Thanks for the ideas so far. At this stage it is my idea for sure, but like I said before want to see if it is a good an idea before I suggest it to her. If she showed serious interest, we have her try one of those build a watch classes. We are on the West Coast, and have family in Seattle. I was not aware of the Northwest School of Horology, but I had found the Watch Technology Institute which is a program supported by Rolex at North Seattle College.
 
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Amongst the courses I listed above, courses such as those that offered “Part Time” instruction are likely more suited to enthusiasts (as in hobbyists), or active watchmakers who want to expand their capabilities. These courses likely would not offer the in depth training required to become a professional watch repairer.

With my assistance, a young friend (30ish) whose profession is in information technology, has been learning watch repair. He is fascinated by mechanical watches. I have helped him quite a bit with his first two projects, and I have offered advice on many others. But he now is quite capable of servicing the watches he buys, and now has a small collection of 12 watches. All of which he wears in rotation. He DOES NOT aspire to becoming a full time, professional watch repair person. Strictly hobby!
 
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Curiously many of the factories I visited use many women for the assembly line processes.

From what I can tell that there are jobs what are considered more suitable to one type person than another. I ran up against this in my youth. I was interested in animation and mechanical dolls. The trade schools were not all that welcoming. Perhaps things have changed in the last 30 years.

Many women also find themselves working in the "communications" Industry. I had a theater arts degree from a 2 year college. I wound up creating computer retail customer service in one of the first computer retailers back in the early 1980s. Companies do want a pretty face behind the counter. I got the job for the reason I could drive a standard transmission delivery van. Later when things got established we hired people from the Sears tire warranty school of salesmanship. By that time I was working at a corporate level making decisions which affected the usability of the common laser printer.

I was chatting yesterday with one of my friends who designed themed amusement park rides. These have now run their course and are being replaced after 30 years or more. We were talking about how much of the design tools are free of charge for creating 3D virtual worlds. My friend also has thousand of fans. and does share the creative processes through websites and you tube videos. It is all there for anyone to learn and teach themselves.

What a lot of younger people lack are the three Ds (Dedication, Determination and Desire.) My friend was saying the younger people were constantly putting up barriers and excuses. We are a consumer society. Expect others to create the experience for us to enjoy. Most do not how to tell the difference between luck and skill.

Perhaps your daughter might want to consider a summer working for an AD or Botique. Learn the sales side of things. Maybe even learn how the distribution channels work. Logistics. What it takes to run a warehouse importing product. One could then work their way up the chain, even to become part of the system where they can create policy and determine parts availability. Or other ways to profit from the re-use and sustainability of obsolete vintage items.

I suspect most of us here are part of the 1% (1% of 8 billion is a large number and includes much of the NA and western Europe. Pretty anyone who owns their own home or real property.) So it is hard to know what to expect in the next 30 years.

Most people tend to wind up doing something by accident. Some jobs/carriers what seem fun and desirable from the outside are actually hard work. We tend to want to be around with others who fit into our comfort zone.

When I look back, I see I did have toys one could take apart and put together. We also did a lot of puzzles during the holidays. These are not as available as the small parts can lead to litigation. (Odds are better winning a lawsuit to winning a lottery.)

I also noticed that at places like the renascence fair, and the associated burning man and maker faires, that people tent to naturally fall into the classical casts. Probably survival traits. Some people are more comfortable doing security. Others working in the kitchens. Some like holding court and playing political games. Others are good at fundraising and figuring out the economics of the community.

This means no work is done in isolation. Schooling is as much about being with others and learning from each other. Most colleges and universities these days are diploma mills. What are designed to suck the funds out to the college accounts grandma and grandpa set up. Admissions are not as much merit based as they are designed to collect people of like minds and skill sets.

Our education system was also created 200 years ago to solve problems that really are no longer in existence. Copy machines and computers have alleviated the need for monks in a scriptoruim working out the statistical needs on production yealds of the monastic holdings. Most corporations still follow this, and no longer know that the word corporation is short for corpus Christie, and means to be protected under the grace of god.

Not that any of this has anything to do with the desire for your daughter to become a watchmaker any more than becoming a stock broker or financial planner.

(and yes I am still sleep typing -- it was an intense weekend.)
 
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I don't know anything about the watchmaking industry but strong consideration has to be given to potential earnings as well.

How much will someone starting out make?
What's the average?
What's the top range?
Is your daughter entrepreneurial and willing to open up her own shop and doing marketing to get clients?
Can she support herself and her family comfortably on her potential salary?

Maybe some of our watchmakers can chime in.

There are many people that love their work but leave their profession because it pays so little (daycare workers or teachers in the US).
 
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Thanks @Zman4eva for spelling our the types of questions I want answered. She doesn't want to live in a city long term, so she would probably need to go independent if this were a path she chose.
 
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Thanks @sheepdoll your post is an entertaining stroll through your life as usual. I do hope that we have made progress on the treatment of women in the last 30+ years, but it is still an issue. This video about a female watchmaker address it a bit:

 
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Not sure if this was mentioned, but why don’t you buy her one of those DIY automatic watch assembly kits to asses her affinity to the watchmaking profession?
 
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As a current watchmaking student, studying full time at a school.

Its just as much of a time and effort commitment as uni was. I am doing this as a career change now in my 30s so my experience is going to be different.

The initial outlay for tools feels steeper than university was, and ive seen a good number of students who went in straight from highschool already drop out. From a purely financial standpoint, I can't recommend going into this lightly.

As others have said, give her an opportunity to experience watchmaking. You will know from the first time she manages to get a watch to start ticking again if she has the bug.

As a watch nut I was surprised when i found out some of the other students in my class weren't really that interested in watches, and just took the course as something to do after highschool. While some of those students caught the bug, it has all been from those students who have dropped out as well.

On the topic of women in watchmaking, it is undeniably a male dominated field, but in my school here in Japan anyway, its maybe 1/4 women. So take that as you will.

Lastly, at least to me, this isn't something I have taken up to get rich. I would have stayed in sales if I wanted to buy more watches.

It is easier for me to choose a path like this having spent a decade doing other things, and also thanks to that having the funds to tool up and buy the things I have needed to advance.
For your daughter though, if she has the interest for it now though, I certainly wish I could have started earlier than I have.
 
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Great information @noless

You all have given me enough to toss the idea out to her. My wife and I try to give her information about possible career paths, but ultimately it is for her to figure out.

If nothing else, I have enjoyed learning more about the profession.
 
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Some other things to consider, after training is complete, to be able to have a proper shop to be eligible for a parts account is quite an investment. I have a litte over $40k in equipment, tools and building my shop, which is in our home. Each brand you want to get an account with will require additional equipment. Many will not give you an account no matter what you do or buy.
A number of us are Omega qualified on this forum and have made the training, certification and equipment investment. I am looking at adding Richemont brands depending on equipment costs.
If your daughter is willing to move, she certainly could get a job at a service center or other established shop. I don’t even advertise or have a website yet as I’m 2-3 months out at any given time with work.

Joe
 
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Thanks Joe (@Deafcon). I imagine starting out at a service center or established shop is a good way to get more experience before going alone.
 
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At the end of last month I have been selected to join a one year watchmaking programme with WOSTEP (Customer Service Watchmaker Program), which is considered among the best watchmaking schools in the world. I am located in Switzerland and they administer courses (both this one year one and the two years one) in English. If you look at their website, they have several schools in the US as well, mostly in the south (Miami and Texas). I would recommend you to look it up and to consider both programs.

https://www.wostep.ch/en/programme

https://www.wostep.ch/en/ecoles-partenaires-map

From what I experienced so far (bench test and tour of the premises) it is full of very professional people and it is an established brand that would allow your daughter to work everywhere in the US and in Europe. With many of the US programs, the certification they give will not be enough to be working in Europe, which anyway I don't know if it is something your daughter would consider.

My personal plan would be to open my own repair/vintage watches sale shop once I am done with the course, but as explained above, to get into the "qualified" programs of the big brands is something that requires time and investment. My idea is to do everything step by step.
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