Watchmaking at a Molecular Level

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You know, on a manly watch forum, when discussing "suction" I would hoped for and expected a different topic altogether
 
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^ The domesticated Australian male in his natural habitat, discussing Miele appliances before comparing toilet seat warmers and bread makers.



Got nothing when it comes to watchmaking, only case I open is full of beer.

 
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Got nothing when it comes to watchmaking, only case I open is full of beer.

Jesus that's a pretty serious bottle opener you've got there I just use the one on my key ring
 
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Very carefully.

I used my smallest oiler, taking the smallest amount from a bigger drop of 9010 I put on a flat surface. Onto the cap jewel with a nice domed drop. Then the balance cock was set over the top and screwed down.

I may have to look at those pen oilers, I can see how much more controlled/simpler the oiling would be.

I'm having a long lunch with a couple of mates today so any more work will have to wait until Saturday.

There are a few ways to do this - the hard way is fully oiling the cap jewel and then setting the balance cock on top of it, not allowing it to shift at all as you install and tighten the 2 screws.

A slightly easier version of this is to first treat the cap jewel with epilame (not sure if you use it or not), then apply a very small drop of oil to the hole jewel on the side that the cap jewel goes on, and then assemble the two together. It's not enough oil to be functional, but it provides a way for more oil to be fed in with a thinned down oiler through the hole jewel - that small amount of oil will help draw more oil in. This takes some time as you have to feed very small amounts through the hole jewel, but it's less likely to end up with smeared or off center oil under the cap jewel.

Last option is an automatic oiler. Bergeon 1A is fine enough for oiling cap jewel through the hole jewel. I do have one and use it from time to time:



These do have drawbacks - not cheap to start with, the tips are fragile, and they are difficult to clean well when you change the oils inside. They take some getting used to in terms of how to adjust them to get a consistent delivery of oil, but they do make the act of oiling easier.

Cheers, Al
 
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I wish you all the luck in the world but it did make me laugh thinking back ... it's only when you drop a watch screw that you find out just how much magnetic "dust" has made it's way into your carpet.
 
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There are a few ways to do this - the hard way is fully oiling the cap jewel and then setting the balance cock on top of it, not allowing it to shift at all as you install and tighten the 2 screws.

A slightly easier version of this is to first treat the cap jewel with epilame (not sure if you use it or not), then apply a very small drop of oil to the hole jewel on the side that the cap jewel goes on, and then assemble the two together. It's not enough oil to be functional, but it provides a way for more oil to be fed in with a thinned down oiler through the hole jewel - that small amount of oil will help draw more oil in. This takes some time as you have to feed very small amounts through the hole jewel, but it's less likely to end up with smeared or off center oil under the cap jewel.

Last option is an automatic oiler. Bergeon 1A is fine enough for oiling cap jewel through the hole jewel. I do have one and use it from time to time:



These do have drawbacks - not cheap to start with, the tips are fragile, and they are difficult to clean well when you change the oils inside. They take some getting used to in terms of how to adjust them to get a consistent delivery of oil, but they do make the act of oiling easier.

Cheers, Al

Thanks Al. I didn't think of doing it in reverse (your slightly easier version). I'll keep that in mind.
I just need to pluck up the courage to buy the epilame.

Considering the evaporation qualities of epilame and one-dip, would storing them in the refrigerator slow down evaporation?
 
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Considering the evaporation qualities of epilame and one-dip, would storing them in the refrigerator slow down evaporation?

I don't use One-Dip personally - fumes are not good for you and I won't have a jar of it evaporating in my workspace every day. For cleaning, I use the cleaning machine - I know, a novel idea! 😉 Two things regarding cleaning that my instructor used to say continually ring in my ears:

1 - the movement will never be cleaner than it is when it comes out of the cleaning machine. In other words, any additional cleaning you may do at the bench is going to make it less clean.

2 - the movement you are working on is only as clean as your bench - that phrase really comes to mind when I see photos of watchmakers benches that are completely filthy - see it all the time. I wipe down the bench every morning before starting work, and wipe it down again through the day as needed - you should be able to eat food right off the bench it's so clean.

I have a can of One-Dip that I have opened and used some from, and the can is still nearly full. I bought it 10 years ago or more, so evaporation in a properly sealed container is not a problem if you choose to use it. The only time I clean a part at the bench is when I'm about to go run it through the cleaning machine, so I use a ground glass jar with 99% alcohol in it for small "pre-cleaning" jobs. Cleaning braking grease or excess oil out of a dirty mainspring barrel for example, but again the part immediately goes into the cleaning machine after:





For epilame, I keep the bottle in a drawer in my bench - cool, dark place. The key with that is not having the bottle open for any longer than is absolutely required. For treating the escape wheel, I use a bottle designed for this so the solution is decanted into that bottle, and the escape wheel is placed in a small plastic basket:



The bottle is inverted to treat the wheel, the basket removed, and then dried using warm air:



For treating the pallet fork jewels, I load a syringe with the solution since you only want to treat the stones, and not get any on the rest of the fork - press the fork in pith wood as shown and make a drop form coming out of the syringe needle, and use that to treat each stone:



I use the same syringe to treat the cap jewels like you are dealing with to just place a drop on them. Other than those I don't normally treat cap jewels for watches with shock absorbers on the balance.

Epilame is expensive, evaporates quickly (why you have to heat the part after as condensation will form otherwise), and as the solvent evaporates, the solution becomes stronger. When it becomes too concentrated, it can cause problems, so it has to be changed regularly, and that can get expensive if you are a hobbyist. I am currently using the old formula so the FK/BS version, so have not yet tried the newer ecologically friendly version ES/BS that uses the "EcoSolv" solvent. It's very new so I suspect I might get that one my next reorder - I'll see how it performs when the time comes I guess.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Al
 
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Thanks Al, some good pointers there. I'll get on to my supplier for some epilame and in future I'll clean my balance/hairspring on the plate with the caps removed, the 70 year old cleaning machine does a great job and I have the US for particularly stubborn stuff.

Nice one Jim.

As a matter of interest, do you have any idea what movement it is? I couldn't find it in any of my reference material.

I couldn't find anything either Stu, the watch is unbranded, just a 9ct gold Handley case (Australian maker) so I think the movement was made for local assembly by AS, FHF or someone similar. I found others that were very close but none with that particular pattern of setting lever spring/bridge.
 
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Ta Daaaaa!

All done. ::psy::

The previous watchmaker (or whoever touched it last) was a scoundrel. The dial feet screws had been lost and substituted by some putty like goop, the setting lever screw was broken and there was one barrel bridge screw missing. It took me about three hours of stripping old movements, measuring the items, doing extra cleaning and checking the fit, lucky I kept all that junk!

So it's finally all cleaned and assembled and running like a ............., well, you know.
Aside from one big screwdriver for the ratchet wheel and crown wheel screws, everything else was 0.60, 0.70 and 0.80 and the concentration required for those tiny little things was mind numbing, I had t take a break after about 30 minutes sometimes.

Anyway, here it is on the bench with some of the tools that got the job done (the jewel picker upper being my favourite at the moment 😉.



And the finished item, to be kept safe and sound and well away from water!

 
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Nice one Jim.

As a matter of interest, do you have any idea what movement it is? I couldn't find it in any of my reference material.

The closest I could find with that shape of bridge was a Kurth Frères 5 1/4''' Caliber 230.
Almost but not quite, but there certainly is a family resemblance in dimensions and layout.

The movement is from the 1920s or 1930s so documentation for a ladies movement by an obscure manufacture from that period will be thin on the ground I suspect.

 
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And the last part of the job.

Putting all of the spare movements and parts away in the garage again.

To sleep soundly until they are called upon again to rescue another vintage ticker.

 
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Good to see something Holden staying in Australia
( even if it is a plastic case with watch parts in it ) 🤦
 
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^ The domesticated Australian male in his natural habitat, discussing Miele appliances before comparing toilet seat warmers and bread makers.
Good way of making the land hospitable for females as I hear it's otherwise full of spiders, snakes and strange critters 😁
 
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Great job Jim. My watchmaker swore servicing lady's watch movement was big pain in the ass, as it is much smaller dimension than men's watch. He even refused to service any other ladies watch again.
My other watchmaker charge me 150% of normal service price for ladies' watch.
No wonder their price is so low now.
 
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Good way of making the land hospitable for females as I hear it's otherwise full of spiders, snakes and strange critters 😁

Never mind the wilds of Standyland, it's bad enough in suburban Brissie. Since Christmas Day we have had the following wildlife (excluding the usual suspects) in the back garden:
A turkey on Christmas Day (that redefines irony)
A 2m carpet snake
A fully grown frilly lizard and a baby one
A jumping spider - that one was hilarious
Several flying foxes

I just need to find out where the bloody geckos are getting into the house - it goes beyond a joke when you look up to see one inside an opaque glass light fitting.
 
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Never mind the wilds of Standyland, it's bad enough in suburban Brissie. Since Christmas Day we have had the following wildlife (excluding the usual suspects) in the back garden:
A turkey on Christmas Day (that redefines irony)
A 2m carpet snake
A fully grown frilly lizard and a baby one
A jumping spider - that one was hilarious
Several flying foxes

I just need to find out where the bloody geckos are getting into the house - it goes beyond a joke when you look up to see one inside an opaque glass light fitting.
Man the geckos are beyond a joke, they're not native they're Asian geckos that were an introduced species and have no natural predator so they just breed and breed and breed unchecked even cats and dogs don't want to hunt them. They also destroy your electrical equipment and air conditioner by chewing on and shorting out wiring. 10 years ago I'd never seen one before in my life but its just an infestation here now, kill everyone one of them you see.

http://www.qm.qld.gov.au/Find+out+a...eptiles/Geckos/Asian+House+Gecko#.WISDFrGr0nU
 
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The geckos eat the insects..... 👍

@Stewart H have seen them that small they can get through no matter what you do.
 
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Good way of making the land hospitable for females as I hear it's otherwise full of spiders, snakes and strange critters 😁

not to mention .... dare I say it ???





AustrALIANs ::rimshot::
 
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Awesome work Jim. Great you got it running again! Is the dial or the crystal discoloured? If it's the dial, from the looks of it that may be a type of dial and printing that will stand up well to cleaning if you so desire. This is a ladies watch I serviced a number of years ago - brand name Mars running a Champ movement:



Dial was heavily discoloured:



Some movement shots:





Main issue was the cracked mainspring barrel:



Strange construction - the brass ring with the gear was a separate part to the actual drum of the barrel - not an easy part to find, but I did find it eventually. But anyway back to the dial - these old silver dials with black printing that is almost recessed into the dial can be cleaned rather aggressively, so here is a before and after shot of the Mars dial:



Customer was over the moon as she had taken it to many watchmakers over a 20 year period, and all said it could not be fixed. Feels good when you can get something working that means so much to someone. Final shot:



So if it's that sort of dial, you can try cleaning an area that can't be seen through the crystal first to see how it cleans up. These didn't tend to have lacquer on them from what I have seen, so I think it would clean up fairly well like this one did. I actually used an eraser to clean this one - one of those Staedler Mars plastic drafting erasers.

Once again - great work.

Cheers, Al