The Go-to Calatrava Resource?

dsio · Mar 10, 2013

So for Constellations, getting a good feel for the models is as simple as reading the Gospel according to Desmond at the constellation collector blog, Polerouters have their own site, but where is the best resource to read about the calibres, cases, and dial variants used in the Calatrava?

cicindela · Mar 10, 2013

I think you're required to go to Geneva for a 6 week program.

MikiJ · May 26, 2013

Try PuristS Patek discussion group. Needless to say, they are very knowledgeable. Just don't expect the overwhelming response you get with almost any Omega group. That is unless you have a few 6 figure Pateks ;-)

SpikiSpikester · Aug 4, 2013

John Goldberger published a very detailed book on the PP stainless steel watches. Costs about the same as AJTT.

cisco · Aug 20, 2013

I have seen the message only now

By calatrava do you mean the "96 like" (which is "my" meaning) or all three hands Patek (which is then a ton of references, impossible to get all of o them)
By 96 like I think of that case shape and a flat bezel with no step ( if you had a step or a non flat bezel, you can add 10 references or more...)
Not 100% sure about calibers and diameters, if someone see a correction to make please share.

96 in 30.5mm, multiple calibers and dials possible snap on caseback
570 in 36mm , multiple calibers and dials possible snap on caseback
2457 30.5mm 27SC caliber snap on caseback
2545 31.5mm with the 12-400
2555 31.5mm with 27sc similar to 2457 but with screw down caseback.
3438 31.5mm with 27-460 caliber
3796 31mm 215 PS with the typical dial and dauphine hands
5196 37mm with 215 PS with the typical dial and dauphine hands

There is also the small 438 in 28mm with 10-110 caliber .

dsio · Aug 20, 2013

I think the center seconds and automatics are more my preference, the 5127 is near perfect to me but I'm curious as to what came before that model and whether there are some interesting 5127 like predecessors that are still wearable size wise (IMO 34mm+)

cisco · Aug 20, 2013

In the idea of the 5127 there are only two references afaik , the 5107 with the flat bezel and the 5127 iwht the round bezel, I think thy are the same size.
Then in 34mm plus and automatic all 12-600 and 27-460 should fit, the king being the marvellous 2526 imho.
But other like 2551 are sublime watches.
here is a list I made from auctions in french, I can copy it here if you like.
http://montresmecaniques.forumactif.com/t3076-patek-a-mouvement-12-600-et-27-460
(2551 image has been lost somewhere bu you can find it easily )

dsio · Aug 20, 2013

If you could re-post here that'd be awesome! Thanks for the help btw

cisco · Aug 20, 2013

Everything comes form Antiquorum except when credited Under:

All have 12-600 or 27-460 automatic caliber.

2526

credit european Watch

2540

2551

2552

credit Robert Maron

2583

credit EHH

2584

3403
not sure on that one

3415

La 3425

La 3429

crédit Robert Maron

3433

crédit Robert Maron

3438

3440

3444 on the left with a 2540

credit: christies

3454

3466

3473

3485

3525 a boitier coussin

3542

3561

credit Christies

with date
3445

credit: europeanwatch
La 3514

credit: europeanwatch

3541

credit christies

3558

3565

Maybe there are others ; I just hope the references are the good one (Antiquorum is not always exact...)

dsio · Aug 21, 2013

Thanks!