TAG Heuer 3000 quartz ref. 232.206...

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https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/top...-chronograph-273006-movement-trouble-sort-of/
Maybe this is interesting?
Yeah, that's basically the same issue of the original twice per second circuit not being available.
Where that guy is wrong is about the movement being geared to tick twice a second. It's not gearing, it's the stepper motor moving in half a second jumps. The cure is to change all "twice per second" components to once per second spec. They should all be be directly interchangeable.

Swapping in an auto cal 283 won't work as the stem height is wrong, could be done in theory but would require a spacer or case machining depending whether it's too high or too low.
 
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Yeah, that's basically the same issue of the original twice per second circuit not being available.
Where that guy is wrong is about the movement being geared to tick twice a second. It's not gearing, it's the stepper motor moving in half a second jumps. The cure is to change all "twice per second" components to once per second spec. They should all be be directly interchangeable.

Swapping in an auto cal 283 won't work as the stem height is wrong, could be done in theory but would require a spacer or case machining depending whether it's too high or too low.
Thanks. Always good to get technical info. This way you continue to learn every day.
 
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Love to see so much input on this, awesome!

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just skip a tooth
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It looks like they didn't change all the wheel teeth, those that were changed were for reasons of reducing backlash not for gearing.
It should then work in theory indeed, the only disadvantage is more possible wear to the teeth.

I'm gonna test if the DD2000 modules are ok with these watches. If I get so far as to try it I will let you guys know 馃榾

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Maybe this is interesting?
He bought a NOS movement for it, which are not to be found or very expensive. This is the more DIY approach 馃槣 I suspect you / your watchmaker will run into the same issue.
 
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Love to see so much input on this, awesome!



It should then work in theory indeed, the only disadvantage is more possible wear to the teeth.

I'm gonna test if the DD2000 modules are ok with these watches. If I get so far as to try it I will let you guys know 馃榾


He bought a NOS movement for it, which are not to be found or very expensive. This is the more DIY approach 馃槣 I suspect you / your watchmaker will run into the same issue.

Then scour the back streets in Switzerland again, looking for forgotten timepieces..
 
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Love to see so much input on this, awesome!



It should then work in theory indeed, the only disadvantage is more possible wear to the teeth.

I'm gonna test if the DD2000 modules are ok with these watches. If I get so far as to try it I will let you guys know 馃榾


He bought a NOS movement for it, which are not to be found or very expensive. This is the more DIY approach 馃槣 I suspect you / your watchmaker will run into the same issue.
If it works ( I think it will) we'll have created a hybrid 183 with some of the upgrades of the 185. I reckon call it the Cal 184 ! 馃槀
 
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Yes, as I said to @Aquagraph that is the more common scenario. I believe its due to clutch friction when the chrono is stopped.
There are guy's who service the modules.
They are very fussy when it comes to correct lubrication as well.
That is the exact problem I currently have with my 2000.

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I am a watchmaker, but it is a nightmare to service the module and if there are parts to source, it is very difficult to find them, so I thought about directly buying the DD module, replacing the old one, through a source here in Switzerland.

The watch is beautiful, it's one of the early Heuers, quite rare, and I got it for a really good price, so I wouldn't mind paying to buy the module alone.

Do you know by any chance if the attachments are the same between the 555. and the 2892? Because I would be buying the module that goes on the mechanical version.
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That is the exact problem I currently have with my 2000.

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I am a watchmaker, but it is a nightmare to service the module and if there are parts to source, it is very difficult to find them, so I thought about directly buying the DD module, replacing the old one, through a source here in Switzerland.

The watch is beautiful, it's one of the early Heuers, quite rare, and I got it for a really good price, so I wouldn't mind paying to buy the module alone.

Do you know by any chance if the attachments are the same between the 555. and the 2892? Because I would be buying the module that goes on the mechanical version.
I had that watch too, but with the TAG Heuer logo on it. Same two ticks per second movement. Very nice watch, I agree.
 
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That is the exact problem I currently have with mine.

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I am a watchmaker, but it is a nightmare to service the module and if there are parts to source, it is very difficult to find them, so I thought about directly buying the DD module, replacing the old one, through a source here in Switzerland.

The watch is beautiful, it's one of the early Heuers, quite rare, and I got it for a really good price, so I wouldn't mind paying to buy the module alone.

Do you know by any chance if the attachments are the same between the 555. and the 2892? Because I would be buying the module that goes on the mechanical version.
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Yes, the modules are difficult to service and intolerant of incorrect lubrication. There are guys who do them but few and far between. As you probably know they were intended as exchange units originally, I dont believe any parts were ever offered individually.
Any parts you find will be from dismantled modules.
Somewhere on the web is a walkthrough of a service on a DD2000, I will try and find the link.

I think the attachments differ between the 2892 and the 555 modules sadly. I'm sure I have read that somewhere previously but I have no more detail. It would be interesting to see the two side by side.

It's a lovely watch so I can fully understand you being willing to spend money on it.
 
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I hope I don't offend my watchmaker when I send this link to him, but maybe it will help him.
 
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I hope I don't offend my watchmaker when I send this link to him, but maybe it will help him.
I don't think he'll be offended. So far as I'm aware there are no tech service sheets for the modules with them being intended as exchange units. I assume originally the exchange modules would then be refurbed by Dubois Depraz and resold again. It's a case of scrabbling around for info between watchmakers nowadays!
The pictures in that link should be useful.
 
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I suspect these problems are also due to the 555. quartz being somewhat marginal in terms of powering the module. When the module is in a less than perfect state of lubrication the friction is enough to stop the watch.
I'd hazard a guess that theoretically a module in the same condition would work ok attached to the much more powerful 2892. You'd probably see a drop in amplitude but it would work.
 
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I hope I don't offend my watchmaker when I send this link to him, but maybe it will help him.
I don't think he will get offended, during my watchmaking course I did an internship at Tag and they told me that already since the beginning, or shortly after, they always replace it, they never service that module.

Hence the big caution on my side..
 
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@ecarpino
I managed to find the link.
It's not as detailed as I remembered but may provide some help.
https://thewatchbloke.co.uk/2016/05...z-with-dubios-depraz-2000-chronograph-module/

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Thanks a lot for this link, I also saw it, I wanted to get an idea of how "crazy" it is before opening it. Then I also contacted my trainer at Tag which also advised me not to service it. But if you are saying the attachments are different, I need to get creative on how to go further
 
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Thanks a lot for this link, I also saw it, I wanted to get an idea of how "crazy" it is before opening it. Then I also contacted my trainer at Tag which also advised me not to service it. But if you are saying the attachments are different, I need to get creative on how to go further
I have definitely read that the attachment is different, I can't recall where I read that though.
I'd like to see exactly how they differ,perhaps the differences are in the coupling to the power take off.I wonder if it may be possible to convert a new one to fit the 555. using some coupling parts and the base plate from the old module perhaps?

Internally the modules look quite unusual in set up but not hugely crazy.
I'd be tempted to buy a cheap watch with a bad module just to use as a mule for testing viability of servicing techniques.
 
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Just a small update: I managed to buy a beaten up Tag 262.006 with a broken winding stem (and the broken piece stuck into the main plate of the 955) for a reasonable price and used the perfectly functioning DD module to swap it with the non functioning one on my Heuer. Now it is working again and it's such a beautiful watch.

I'll keep the other Tag for spare parts.

Thanks a lot for the help 馃榾
 
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Just a small update: I managed to buy a beaten up Tag 262.006 with a broken winding stem (and the broken piece stuck into the main plate of the 955) for a reasonable price and used the perfectly functioning DD module to swap it with the non functioning one on my Heuer. Now it is working again and it's such a beautiful watch.

Nice!

I'll keep the other Tag for spare parts.

Thanks a lot for the help 馃榾
 
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Just a small update: I managed to buy a beaten up Tag 262.006 with a broken winding stem (and the broken piece stuck into the main plate of the 955) for a reasonable price and used the perfectly functioning DD module to swap it with the non functioning one on my Heuer. Now it is working again and it's such a beautiful watch.

I'll keep the other Tag for spare parts.

Thanks a lot for the help 馃榾
That is great news!
A beautiful watch lives again 馃榾
 
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