Snoopy 2025 production issues?

Evitzee
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If it is a stamping issue does that mean future ones will have the same appearance or the stamp needs to be adjusted and future ones will appear as prior ones did?
Stamping dies eventually wear out and need to be replaced. It's possible the stamping machine pressure wasn't set quite right, or the die needed replacing, possibly both. But once a die gets worn down future production will never be up to scratch, if the details are no longer present on the die they can't be impressed on the silver dial, simple as that. I doubt Omega is producing the sub-dials in house, it's probably contracted to a firm that specializes in this type of production (medallions, coins and the like) and QC let them slip by, or they are deemed within tolerance. But some of the examples I've seen look pretty poor with an almost flat looking image/lettering with no distinct line on Snoopy's buttons, the missing line on this right hind leg edge, and fuzzy depiction of five claws on his left paw. Not attractive when compared to what appears on the Omega website or in many examples posted here and other places over the years. Unfortunately these are the types of details that the future market can hold as important when valuing a watch's value. It's like a coin grade, and those that have sharp, well defined features are valued higher than weaker ones. Maybe this will all blow over, but it's the type of thing you can't unsee, everytime a watch gets posted the eyes will be drawn to Snoopy to look for the details.
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Stamping dies eventually wear out and need to be replaced. It's possible the stamping machine pressure wasn't set quite right, or the die needed replacing, possibly both. But once a die gets worn down future production will never be up to scratch, if the details are no longer present on the die they can't be impressed on the silver dial, simple as that. I doubt Omega is producing the sub-dials in house, it's probably contracted to a firm that specializing in this type of production (medallions, coins and the like) and QC let them slip by, or they are deemed within tolerance. But some of the examples I've seen look pretty poor with an almost flat looking image/lettering with no distinct line on Snoopy's buttons, the missing line on this right paw edge, and fuzzy depiction of five claws on his left paw. Not attractive when compared to what appears on the Omega website or in many examples posted here and other places over the years. Unfortunately these are the types of details that the future market can hold as important when valuing a watch's value. It's like a coin grade.

Agreed. Normally there would be a hub, or master die from which a new stamping die could be made. Should be a pretty easy process..
 
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Stamping dies eventually wear out and need to be replaced. It's possible the stamping machine pressure wasn't set quite right, or the die needed replacing, possibly both. But once a die gets worn down future production will never be up to scratch, if the details are no longer present on the die they can't be impressed on the silver dial, simple as that. I doubt Omega is producing the sub-dials in house, it's probably contracted to a firm that specializes in this type of production (medallions, coins and the like) and QC let them slip by, or they are deemed within tolerance. But some of the examples I've seen look pretty poor with an almost flat looking image/lettering with no distinct line on Snoopy's buttons, the missing line on this right paw edge, and fuzzy depiction of five claws on his left paw. Not attractive when compared to what appears on the Omega website or in many examples posted here and other places over the years. Unfortunately these are the types of details that the future market can hold as important when valuing a watch's value. It's like a coin grade, and those that have sharp, well defined features are valued higher than weaker ones. Maybe this will all blow over, but it's the type of thing you can't unsee, everytime a watch gets posted the eyes will be drawn to Snoopy to look for the details.
Maybe it wasn't the initial intention releasing such a big batch for so long , and the stamping machine wasn't ready for that purpose.
 
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Maybe it wasn't the initial intention releasing such a big batch for so long , and the stamping machine wasn't ready for that purpose.
Or maybe they are squeezing out the last batch of watches, knowing that if they release a new snoopy (wishful thinking), this one would drop or even cease in demand/production.
 
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Maybe it wasn't the initial intention releasing such a big batch for so long , and the stamping machine wasn't ready for that purpose.

I'm not... obviously I don't know what happened, but I am going to assume human error. If it is a pressure issue on strike, human error. If the die isn't clean, has been damaged due to improper striking, or has been altered or polished, all human error. These dies are likely cut from Steel, and it's not striking nickel (which wears coin dies much faster- around 4x faster- than copper or silver). It's also not striking very thick material.

Obviously I can't say for certain, I don't know exactly what equipment is being used... but I bet the equipment itself was up to the task.
 
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Well, everyone rightly says “pictures, not links” so here’s what everyone’s talking about.

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If it is a stamping issue does that mean future ones will have the same appearance or the stamp needs to be adjusted and future ones will appear as prior ones did?
Depends on how many folks appear all around the world at Omega Boutiques/AD's tomorrow 😉

Omega probably knew about this "error" and turned a blind eye hoping not to get caught...
 
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Depends on how many folks appear all around the world at Omega Boutiques/AD's tomorrow 😉

Omega probably knew about this "error" and turned a blind eye hoping not to get caught...

I strongly, strongly, strongly doubt that. This is one of those QC errors that doesn't have an "expiration date." If it hadn't been caught now it could have been caught next year or the year after and it is much more obvious then any sort of internal error that may or may not result in a warranty claim.
 
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Is it as bad as everyone’s making out?

To me it’s only a perceived QC issue as it’s different from earlier dials. It’s not like there’s a foot or his nose missing or a 220 bezel where its actually an incorrect number. This is people subjectively saying it’s wrong. It’s still Snoopy, it could just be a legitimate design change due to modifications in the production process, a new die/cast or increased efficiency to produce more dials to meet demand.

People may not like it but I can’t see how it’s an error rather than just a change, intentional or not.
 
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Is it as bad as everyone’s making out?
Looks very sloppy, IMO. If it were a Seiko or Hamilton, okay. At this price point, I'd definitely say it's manufacture error and be pissed if I were a Snoopy owner.
 
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I’m slightly playing devils advocate here but what looks sloppy? It’s not blurred lines, or poor definition, to me it’s a couple of lines that were there aren’t there now.

I think it’s simply slightly different to previous dials. I guess depending on your perspective you could say the change is for the worse but I think anyone expecting this to get rectified under warranty may be disappointed
 
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Well, everyone rightly says “pictures, not links” so here’s what everyone’s talking about.

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Good idea. This is less bad compared to what I saw in the reddit photo. Calling it terrible is overreacting on my part, (although the reddit photo looked pretty bad.)

The white raised dial sections are also quite different in tone and texture. I wonder how much of the differences are due to camera setting. Just based off these photos, they look like different manufacturers.
 
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If it was a standard Speedmaster sub dial with faint or missing hash marks or numbers it would be considered a defective dial, imo. If it was on a vintage dial it would be marked down on the value scale. On an embossed dial, and on a special edition watch, I would expect consistency across the board with little to no variation in the appearance of the special sub dial. I would not be happy as an owner. I think it's more than just a few missing lines, it appears that the sharpness of the stamping overall is not as strong or distinct on these dials compared to the one's shown on the website and in the hundreds/thousands of pics of this watch posted on the internet over the last five years. But since no one other than the owner's eyes have seen these 'light' dials it is impossible to make a judgement as to whether this is an issue or not in Omega's eyes. I believe they will say it is within tolerances. We'll have to see how it plays out.
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I just read the post. I received my Snoopy in January of this year. I just examined the whole watch with the loupe, something I usually do not do lol. It was actually pretty cool to look at the watch like that. None of the outlines look as thick as the photo from Omega, But everything was crisp and clearly outlined. There was a nice line going through the zipper and the hand looked great, everything looked as good as I hoped it would. And I did not realize there was that much texture on the dial and sub dials. That first pic looked horrible and I hope, if its real, the owner and anyone else who has that problem can get it resolved. In my case examining the watch like this makes me love it even more.
 
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Given how ubiquitous it seems on the newer Snoopy’s it must be a shift in manufacturing right? If Omega says they made a manufacturing change there really wouldn’t be much to say or do about it right since even swapping a unit would leave it the same?
 
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Replicas aren’t this good. They don’t have correct subdial spacing, pusher protrusion, thickness, accuracy (+2 seconds per day in my case), and in most cases won’t even have a fully working chronograph across all subdials.

So either an AD sold the best replica ever made, and the same somehow happened to several others posting in that thread, or something is going on with Omega’s production.
What if just the dial was faked but mounted onto a current gen. Speedy?
 
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What if just the dial was faked but mounted onto a current gen. Speedy?
What about the NAIAD case back? And these watches were bought from an OB, so they aren't fake.
 
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Looking at a bunch currently for sale there's actually a lot more variation, missing stars, partially missing 5 second markers, additional lines, missing lines.

This one has no star beneath snoopy and part of the second hashes is missing on some of them. The good ones do all look pretty much the same but there's a lot of variation in the bad ones.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126940625837

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I don't have a macro camera lens, but through the loupe mine looks perfect. All the details are there, crisp and sharply defined.
 
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