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Tony C.
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It may not have anything to do with the seller; he may simply have been naïve. But really, you could not be more convinced that it is genuine?
Confirmation bias in action, I'm afraid.
SAS Gold Polerouter - Tore Nilert
It may not have anything to do with the seller; he may simply have been naïve. But really, you could not be more convinced that it is genuine?
Confirmation bias in action, I'm afraid.
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Mazoue
·Point taken but equally I am the only person to have seen it in the flesh.
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··Ωf Jury memberI would like for it to be real, and wish you well. But to use a well-worn cliché, where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
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·Thank you, that is much appreciated. I intend to do some research now and will share whatever I find.
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·Just my 2cents: Is it possible that the watch is legit and only the dial has been reprinted later (let say during a service)?
About the crisper engraving on the back: My Polarouter has a 1956 date inscription that is crisper too, I don´t see a problem about that. Might just be deeper engraved...
Mazoue, I like it!!
About the crisper engraving on the back: My Polarouter has a 1956 date inscription that is crisper too, I don´t see a problem about that. Might just be deeper engraved...
Mazoue, I like it!!
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·The difference between an ordinary Polerouter and an SAS can be quite large. Are you really asking why someone might want to fake it?
As for the title of the advert, it makes the seller appear naïve, which could be a clever way of drawing buyers in.
@Tony C. you have much, much more experience than me, no question about it. One thing (among others) that i learned with you was, when in doubt, applying the Occam Razor principle. In this case that principle leads me to the originality of the watch.
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Mazoue
·The intricacy of the dial engraving is really quite amazing. Please bear in mind that these are highly magnified images.
I would be interested to see a macro image of the SAS Polerouter belonging to @Dre although I would perfectly understand if he did not want to open up his watch to this level of scrutiny.
I would be interested to see a macro image of the SAS Polerouter belonging to @Dre although I would perfectly understand if he did not want to open up his watch to this level of scrutiny.
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Jonatan
·After not seeing any for several years, two SAS watches surface within a few months and both don't have Polerouter or Polarouter written on the dial.
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Tony C.
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How is the (very nice) watch that you have in your post related to the question of the originality of the OP's watch?
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··Ωf Jury memberGlad you did! An interesting artifact from Angola.
There are more than a few IWC ref. 666 Ingenieurs that emanate from Angola, as well.
There are more than a few IWC ref. 666 Ingenieurs that emanate from Angola, as well.
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Mazoue
·After not seeing any for several years, two SAS watches surface within a few months and both don't have Polerouter or Polarouter written on the dial.
If you were setting out to fabricate an SAS watch (having found a brilliant engraver and done your research on Tore Nilert), you would have thought you would try to copy another example by adding Polerouter and not adding the SAS lettering to the emblem. You probably wouldn't use totally unique UG hands either.
The point, I believe, is that these watches are unique. They were all bespoke pieces produced at the time for a specific reason using the resources available. Perhaps it was decided that the additional Polerouter text would just make the dial too busy?
The fact that two have surfaced in recent months is, I believe, purely coincidence. For all we know, others have surfaced that we on this forum were never made aware of. The fact that I have spent many many hours hunting in recent months, have purchased both of these watches and have posted them on this forum, is why it seems more of a coincidence than it is.
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·It maybe high magnification but the SAS logos in the 60s dials, were made using a chemical etching process not a mechanical process. Etching gives a far superior finish. therefore I would not expect to see such irregularities and inconsistencies that we see. It looks like logo has been machined on ...
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Jonatan
·If you were setting out to fabricate an SAS watch (having found a brilliant engraver and done your research on Tore Nilert), you would have thought you would try to copy another example by adding Polerouter and not adding the SAS lettering to the emblem. You probably wouldn't use totally unique UG hands either.
The point, I believe, is that these watches are unique. They were all bespoke pieces produced at the time for a specific reason using the resources available. Perhaps it was decided that the additional Polerouter text would just make the dial too busy?
The fact that two have surfaced in recent months is, I believe, purely coincidence. For all we know, others have surfaced that we on this forum were never made aware of. The fact that I have spent many many hours hunting in recent months, have purchased both of these watches and have posted them on this forum, is why it seems more of a coincidence than it is.
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Tony C.
··Ωf Jury memberSo the collaboration between SAS and UG revolved around the Polerouter model, and yet the very watch given to a high SAS official lacks the model name?
Does that really make sense to anyone?
Oops! Jonatan posted at the same time.
Does that really make sense to anyone?
Oops! Jonatan posted at the same time.
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Tony C.
··Ωf Jury memberAlso, as mentioned previously, the inscription was applied after the spiral polish, which means that it must have come later.
That doesn't add up, either.
That doesn't add up, either.
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Mazoue
·In the absence of any further information from @Dre about the engraving on his gold Polerouter or a photo from @Lucas of his Polarouter black dial, I will not post anything further about these watches until I've done some research.
I know that we've drawn a blank with UG but I intend contacting SAS. If anyone has already done that or has any useful contacts then please let me know. I also hope to contact the Nilert family about this watch.
I know that we've drawn a blank with UG but I intend contacting SAS. If anyone has already done that or has any useful contacts then please let me know. I also hope to contact the Nilert family about this watch.
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Tony C.
··Ωf Jury memberI am close to an original one here in Lisbon. Perhaps I can take a high-res photo of the dial, and post it.
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·That would be great, thanks. Are you referring to one of the white dialled 1954 Polarouters?
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··Ωf Jury memberYes. It is not in great condition, but for purposes of comparing the SAS logo, it should prove useful.
I'll try to swing by my dealer friend's shop tomorrow.
I'll try to swing by my dealer friend's shop tomorrow.