Lorologiese Medico-Compax

rustynuts · May 2, 2020

I thought this might have been more in-keeping with the ebay thread but if anyone is considering this Medico-Compax for sale by Lorologiese (perhaps unlikely given the asking price)

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https://www.chrono24.co.uk/universa...0-steel-chronograph---cal-285--id15016647.htm,

ref 22420 3, serial no. 1634151 "fitted with its original dial in its original truly excellent, untouched condition" https://www.picuki.com/media/2299419468584838123, it was previously for sale looking like this:

Bit naughty!

Larry S · May 2, 2020

This is generally why from my early going, I avoided medico dials.

Dan S · May 2, 2020

Those numbers just looked way too big. And weird that they refinished the case, but left the case-back all scratched up.

I love collectors who keep track of sales like this. Well done.

billving · May 2, 2020

rustynuts
I thought this might have been more in-keeping with the ebay thread but if anyone is considering this Medico-Compax for sale by Lorologiese (perhaps unlikely given the asking price)

https://www.chrono24.co.uk/universa...0-steel-chronograph---cal-285--id15016647.htm,

ref 22420 3, serial no. 1634151 "fitted with its original dial in its original truly excellent, untouched condition" https://www.picuki.com/media/2299419468584838123, it was previously for sale looking like this:

Bit naughty!

Great catch

CafeRacer · May 3, 2020

rustynuts
Bit naughty!

More than a bit naughty - thats outright fraud.
Unfortunately they're not the only ones around that region that seem to do this...

jhross98 · May 3, 2020

Fine to restore a watch.. To call this untouched and all original I agree is outright fraud

Larry S · May 3, 2020

This is not some pop up dealer. They should know better.

ELV web · May 3, 2020

jhross98
Fine to restore a watch.. To call this untouched and all original I agree is outright fraud

I think the dial was changed not restored.

Diabolik · May 3, 2020

The Orologiese is a well known "impiastrone". Ensure you do your homework !...

Dan S · May 3, 2020

ELV web
I think the dial was changed not restored.

Or both? 😀

ELV web · May 3, 2020

Dan S
Or both? 😀

To restore the dial you need to paint over the old dial and that usually wipes out the concentric circles in the subdial as well as blur the subdial edges.

Also the huge fonts for the pulsometer are not wrong.

bgrisso · May 3, 2020

the dial looks fine it's just a different one.

Diabolik · May 3, 2020

bgrisso
the dial looks fine it's just a different one.

Take a look at the registers ...

Differences in layout
Round three on second runner
Badly printed 5 on minute register
The pulsation print looks so busy when compared to original ...

Smells of a redial or call it a restored ail !

bgrisso · May 4, 2020

Diabolik
Take a look at the registers ...

Differences in layout
Round three on second runner
Badly printed 5 on minute register
The pulsation print looks so busy when compared to original ...

Smells of a redial or call it a restored ail !

Here's two other examples from private sales section here on OF. Round 3s in seconds subdial and pulsations scale looks the same to me.

ELV web · May 4, 2020

Diabolik
Take a look at the registers ...

Differences in layout
Round three on second runner
Badly printed 5 on minute register
The pulsation print looks so busy when compared to original ...

Smells of a redial or call it a restored ail !

Not restored, those are genuine medico dials (just that in the case of OP it was replaced).

Diabolik · May 4, 2020

bgrisso
Here's two other examples from private sales section here on OF. Round 3s in seconds subdial and pulsations scale looks the same to me.

Those are very early medico dials you show. Different colors. It could be that they were used as a template for the "restore" as the finished product is different and does not have much in common with the original dial.

queriver · May 4, 2020

The word Pulsations on the "clean" Lorologiese dial finishes at the centre of the arabic 12 hour numerals. The same word on the "dirty" dial finishes approx midway between 11 and 12. The 22420 model in Sala's book, on the archive page, also ends midway between 11 and 12. In French language in all 3 examples I refer to.

ELV web · May 4, 2020

queriver
The word Pulsations on the "clean" Lorologiese dial finishes at the centre of the arabic 12 hour numerals. The same word on the "dirty" dial finishes approx midway between 11 and 12. The 22420 model in Sala's book, on the archive page, also ends midway between 11 and 12. In French language in all 3 examples I refer to.

Bgrisso second sample also show pulsation ending at 12.

bgrisso · May 4, 2020

Diabolik
Those are very early medico dials you show. Different colors. It could be that they were used as a template for the "restore" as the finished product is different and does not have much in common with the original dial.

I'm no expert on Medicos, but I see many small idiosyncrasies consistently in the dial printing that suggest the same cliches are being used across these dial examples.

queriver · May 4, 2020

ELV web
Bgrisso second sample also show pulsation ending at 12.

Bgrisso's is a different dial design whereas we're talking about 3 watches with the same design - Lorologiese clean & dirty, and Sala. Nonetheless there are differences between the 2 Lorologiese dials, the placement of "Pulsations" being an obvious one.

I raised the 22420 dial in Sala's book on the assumption it would carry some weight as a reference guide. I'm not suggesting the clean Lorologiese is a redial but the difference is noteworthy. It's a question for the UG experts here whether it is usual to see such variations in the same dial? I'm trying to learn something.