Help with a naive question on universal Geneve auctioned as a Polerouter

tribal
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Hello all UG bugs.

must recognized I have a really naive question to ask.
The below UG will soon be offered by a local auction house with the below picture only.

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My questions are rather simple, this is being advertised as a Polerouter but I cannot see any mention on the dial. Can a watch be a Polerouter without this information on the dial?

Does anyone recognize this model?

Additional question I can see a Swiss on the bottom of the dial where I would have expected a Swiss T but might be that I am wrongfully comparing with Omega dials…

Any thoughts? Comments.
Sorry I do not have access to any other pictures so far.
 
Aludic
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osterman osterman
My guess is that the dial has been replaced

Either that, or a redial. The latter would be what I’d suspect. Print looks a bit wobbly.
 
gatorcpa
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tribal tribal
Can a watch be a Polerouter without this information on the dial?
There should be a reference number on the back, inside the caseback or between the lugs.

If that number matches one of the known Polerouter references, then I would say it’s a Polerouter. Plenty of them out there with bad redials.
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Mazoue
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jumpingsecond jumpingsecond
I think the dial may be okay??
It could be an undesignated polerouter.
@Mazoue will know...
Agree with that conclusion.
Doesn't look like a redial. Why some dials were undesignated (i.e. without the Polerouter model name) I am not so sure.
If I had to guess based on that photo, I would say it is a 20368(/3?) - the smaller 34mm case size requires a thinner bezel.
 
tribal
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Thanks all for your answers.
Always impressed by the depth of knowledge existing here.
After having spent hours learning about constellations it seems that I am now approaching a new rabbit hole with the Polerouter.
Now I discovered undesignated dials after having spent some time checking the prints/ fonts guide.
If this can help the watch is given for a 32mm width.

I have requested additional pictures caseback, mouvement etc. Will keep you posted if anything is received.
Otherwise sounds like I will have to visit the auction house, start to like this I must admit.

thanks again for your inputs I am learning a lot here.
 
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tribal tribal
Thanks all for your answers.
Always impressed by the depth of knowledge existing here.
After having spent hours learning about constellations it seems that I am now approaching a new rabbit hole with the Polerouter.
Now I discovered undesignated dials after having spent some time checking the prints/ fonts guide.
If this can help the watch is given for a 32mm width.

I have requested additional pictures caseback, mouvement etc. Will keep you posted if anything is received.
Otherwise sounds like I will have to visit the auction house, start to like this I must admit.

thanks again for your inputs I am learning a lot here.
Ask them to measure again.
 
tribal
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Redondo444 Redondo444
Did you maybe consider to buy the polerouter book?

https://www.thepolerouter.com/

https://omegaforums.net/threads/the-polerouter-book.119847/
Thanks for the suggestion.
As I am beginning this hobby, I am now in a sort of frenziness discovering new watches every week or so.
I do love to learn about the history and the details behind the variations etc but I am also still learning what I like, so it is probably too early for me to invest in a specialized book. At least now I know it exists 😀.
@Mazoue honored that you took the time to answer on my basic question and congrats for the book. Cannot imagine the amount of work this must represents.
 
tribal
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As promised a follow-up after the auction house answered (partly).

No feedback on the size or any visible numbers between the lugs but a nice picture from the case back.
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Doesn’t help that much to identify between a bad redial and an un designated polerouter but I must recognize I quite like what I see in terms of condition.
 
tribal
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After chasing the auction house they finally came back with additional details.
Reference number seems to be 2368/10 so a polerouter known ref.
Mouvement is a micro rotor 218-9
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so now these elements seems to confirm this is a legit un designated polerouter.
thanks again for your inputs helped me a lot in researching additional details.
 
osterman
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In the "bible" for Polerouters (universalgenevepolerouter.com) I've seen a ref. 20368-4 without the writing Polerouter; however, it is very different from yours.
 
tribal
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Thanks Osterman,

this one was a ref 29368/10.
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Picture from the same bible universalgenevepolerouter.com, you will see that they are very similar, except for the missing Polerouter designation.
I also checked with the Bible table reference and dial, hands, Swiss only and mouvement type 218-9 are coherent with this reference.

Thought the OF members might want to know that this watch was sold today for 1950€ including the buyer’s premium.
If you add to this service and possibly shipment this will make it around 2400€ which was too high for me.
 
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Here's my US market 204612/2

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CBM1590
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Good looking watch but my untrained eye says redial, but it could be a reflection issue from the crystal. The perpendicular crosshair is off, especially when compared to the second image that @tribal posted. There’s also that scratch above 5. Good luck in your journey!
 
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tribal
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CBM1590 CBM1590
Good looking watch but my untrained eye says redial, but it could be a reflection issue from the crystal. The perpendicular crosshair is off, especially when compared to the second image that @tribal posted. There’s also that scratch above 5. Good luck in your journey!
I think the crosshair is off due to the quality of the picture I copied from the auction house.
You are right about the scratche that is what puts me off with this one.
 
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Hello Friends,

new to this forum. I've found this thread and started wondering about this watch I have, what do you think?
 
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