Hamilton? Bell & Ross?

kidamazo
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Hello,

I have been really wanting to start my watch collection with a vintage affordable chronograph, but 1)I am not experienced enough to know what is worth the risk and 2) anything really somewhat risk-free (such as things for sale in the forums here) are just way outside my price range.

So I am thinking I should just start off with an affordable and new watch and the only things even close to what I can afford are Hamilton chrono, and maybe a low end B&R. Does anyone have thoughts on contemporary Hamiltons? Are these just essentially assembly line watches? Can I be proud to own one?
Thanks. Love you guys.
 
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Hamiltons I like. So do a lot of collectors, especially as a good example of a nice watch for under $1000.

Bell & Ross….. um…..

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Hamiltons I like. So do a lot of collectors, especially as a good example of a nice watch for under $1000.

Bell & Ross….. um…..

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Ha! Can you say more?
 
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Also, I should have said I am only looking at Hamilton automatic chronos.
 
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Ha! Can you say more?


I'm going to quote LouS from another forum because he sums it up perfectly:

LouS;596585 said:
How ironic that you should cast B&R in this role. No B&R was ever an important tool for any professional (e.g. pilot, race or rally driver, diver, etc), none of their watches ever proved themselves historically in any type of practical, tool-watch role, and their "heritage" and "functionality" is a marketing invention. B&R has impressed me only as a well-conceived, consistent and thorough marketing exercise, the success of which is documented by the association that you make above.


kidamazo kidamazo
Also, I should have said I am only looking at Hamilton automatic chronos.


They're powered by the Valjoux 7750. No complaints from me about that caliber.
 
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You don't always have to buy a watch based on the manufacturers heritage and historical importance.

Buy what you like!

At the price point that you are looking at I really like the B&R's and U-Boats as well. That being said B&R's do not hold their value very well, so I would never buy one at retail. Definitely look for something second hand or on the grey market.
 
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Zuke Zuke
You don't always have to buy a watch based on the manufacturers heritage and historical importance.

Buy what you like!

At the price point that you are looking at I really like the B&R's and U-Boats as well. That being said B&R's do not hold their value very well, so I would never buy one at retail. Definitely look for something second hand or on the grey market.


Zuke, you're right of course, but doesn't it rub you the wrong way to be sold a bill of goods? I think I'd find it easier to buy a B&R if they did not insist so heavily on their aviation history which never existed. It makes me feel like the mark in a con, and that sure won't get me to reach for my wallet.
 
kidamazo
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Other suggestions for going new with an auto chronograph between 1000 and 1200 USD? I'm looking for something classic with Arabic numerals...
 
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Zuke, you're right of course, but doesn't it rub you the wrong way to be sold a bill of goods? I think I'd find it easier to buy a B&R if they did not insist so heavily on their aviation history which never existed. It makes me feel like the mark in a con, and that sure won't get me to reach for my wallet.

Lou - I can definitely see why this would upset a consumer, it's almost like false advertising. I've only owned one B&R, I bought it simply because I liked the look. It was a military spec model, but to your point I don't know if it was every actually commissioned by the military for use. Ultimately I made my decision based on the simple fact that I liked the watch.

 
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If the B & R marketing department didn't exist, I might like one or two of their watches, like the Space 2 which Sinn made for them. But the schlock campaigns they run sour me off the brand, much like Jonny Sonbul.
 
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The creative, fearless son of Father Time?😁
 
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I don't know if it was every actually commissioned by the military for use.

You can be absolutely 100% certain it was not. That is true of all of their watches.
 
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I have to allow that Bell & Ross have done a better job adapting cockpit instruments to the wrist than Zenith has.

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Any excuse to flog that photo.
 
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I know this isn't the chrono you are looking for, but I also have a soft spot for Hamilton. Cost per craftsmanship , they are simply amazing.
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MMMD MMMD
I have to allow that Bell & Ross have done a better job adapting cockpit instruments to the wrist than Zenith has.

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Any excuse to flog that photo.


Hell, I'll bet this is the image that Rolex saw and thought, "We gotta get this guy in the corner office!"
 
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So now that I have you all here, what are your thoughts on Tissot?
 
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So now that I have you all here, what are your thoughts on Tissot?


I like them almost as much as Hamilton and CW. Vintage specimens I like even more.
 
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I like them almost as much as Hamilton and CW. Vintage specimens I like even more.
Maybe I should post something to the wanted section... I do like the vintage Tissot's also.
 
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