From 7077 to 1171... 18 vintage Seamaster and Speedmaster Bracelets

uwsearch · Oct 1, 2017

vienna
Don't know if you left out the Jubilee for a certain reason but here is oneMy Speedy 145.022 from 1970 came on it. Endlinks are unmarked.

I don't have any jubilee, none of my speedmasters were delivered to America.
I do have an Holzer on a chocolate "mexican" MKII from 1969, but didn't include it in that post.

Interstellar
@uwsearch, any info on 1067 for Seamaster-s please?

I don't have any 1067, my Seamaster 120 are on 1098/547 and 1069/524.

1067 is a kind of smaller 1035 with spring flat links.
They were delivered on the early Seamaster 120 165.027 166.027 135.027 136.027 with 532 endlinks

vienna · Oct 1, 2017

@Interstellar

You are right they were made for the South American market. Also in a wider version for the Mk2. They are also mentioned in Speedmaster - A time capsule

Best regards Max

Nactex · Oct 6, 2017

Check out this 1168 bracelet being sold as an Apollo-Soyuz bracelet. It has 18mm last links instead of the 20mm last links used for the Speedmaster. Don't get me wrong, you can still use it with 633 ends, but it is not worth $810 with the wrong size last links.( I know it has 18mm last links because I emailed the seller and asked. It is not mentioned in the listing.) This thread should be permanently pinned at the top of this section.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintag...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

uwsearch · Oct 6, 2017

There is an other similar item (282681882869) for a better price...

Nactex · Oct 6, 2017

I was just pointing out the crazy price for the not quite right 1168 A-S bracelet.

gemini4 · Oct 6, 2017

Nactex
Check out this 1168 bracelet being sold as an Apollo-Soyuz bracelet. It has 18mm last links instead of the 20mm last links used for the Speedmaster. Don't get me wrong, you can still use it with 633 ends, but it is not worth $810 with the wrong size last links.( I know it has 18mm last links because I emailed the seller and asked. It is not mentioned in the listing.) This thread should be permanently pinned at the top of this section.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintage-1975-OMEGA-Speedmaster-APOLLO-SOYUZ-861-Watch-Steel-Bracelet-1168/332392956643?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

I'd be more concerned that this 1168 bracelet appears to have an incorrect buckle from an 1171 bracelet.

Furthermore, Regarding the links ( which appear correct for an 1168, but short), it is common for the last link to be narrower than the end link and lug gap. If the last bracelet link was equal to the lug width, the bracelet could scratch the insides of the lugs.

An example is the 1035 bracelet whose last link is approx approx 18mm while the lug gap on an Ed White 105.003 is 19mm. Occasionally you might see an incorrect 1039 bracelet attached to an Ed White. As the last link of a 1039
Is approx 19mm, the last link can often get stuck and rub the inside of the Ed White's lugs.

Nactex · Oct 6, 2017

I was just pointing out there are 2 different 1168's with different last link widths. This is the wrong one to be listed for the A-S Speedmaster.
Note the previous chart:

gemini4 · Oct 6, 2017

Ok. These 1168s are a bit more modern than most of my bracelets and MWO only shows a raised emblem 1168 for Speedies.

The OP seems to indicate that, 18mm, 1168 were produced for Geneve's. Perhaps the bracelet you posted was originally from a Geneve?

panaitchrono · Oct 6, 2017

A thread full of informations..thank you for all your time and sharing...

chipsotoole · Oct 25, 2017

Bravo, really excellent work....this one goes to the top of the class..

TsoloT · Oct 25, 2017

Fantastic piece of research very useful

JimJupiter · Oct 25, 2017

If you want I can provide the data for a 1067:

A:18,4 B:10,1

Best Nico

Toishome · Nov 3, 2017

Excellent post. How is this not a sticky?

Stuie · Nov 16, 2017

Thank you uwsearch !
Fantastic information

Here is another source of bracelet information
http://speedmaster.style.coocan.jp/urawaza09.htm#m9-title

As it is mainly in Japanese a bit of time is needed cross referencing through google translate but there is some good info here also. (If you view through chrome and enable translate it is done automatically)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=translate

The same website also has lots of speedmaster customisations which is quite interesting as the author points things out such as suitablity and size of parts etc.

Stuie · Dec 14, 2017

I beleieve you are correct in that 631 end links should be 22mm but I think the 631s you have might have been filed down to fit any number of 20mm Omega Seamaster watches.
Here is an Omega semaster 166.068 (banana) fitted with 631 end links
http://www.chronomaster.co.uk/watches/divers-watches/omega-seamaster-200-banana- - -original-box-papers- - -omega-serviced/ome-617/

bama2141 · Dec 15, 2017

dialstatic
Excellent post, bookmarked! In addition to the straight, fixed end link bracelets that feature in your 1162 section, there are a few others that I came across while researching correct bracelets for my watches. Might be useful for reference:

- 1171/175 (20mm fixed, straight end links. I believe these were for the 176.005 'TV dial' Seamaster).
- 1116/148 (20mm fixed, straight end links - bracelet tapers to 20mm at end links. I believe these were for the 145.024 'Flat Jedi' Seamaster)
- 1116/154 (20mm fixed, straight end links - bracelet tapers to wider than 20mm at end links to connect with the lines of the case of the 145.014 'Mark II' Speedmaster).
- 1159/154 (20mm fixed, straight end links - same as 1116/154 but with wider center links).

I recently purchased a 145.024 Seamaster Jedi, and it’s fitted with an 1171/175. Per the OPs photos, it’s the oldest 1171 version with the unboxed Omega symbol. Not clear if that bracelet was original to the watch, but seems to be chronologically correct if nothing else.

This version of the 1171 uses screw pins on the bracelet removable links. I recently tried to order additional screw pins and, when they were received, I found them to be roughly 1mm too long. The supplier was flummoxed, saying he had used these on many 1171s. So my question to the OP is this: does the subsequent 1171 version also use screw pins, and are they slightly longer?

Richard G · Dec 15, 2017

Thank you Uwsearch for this thread and the research efort you put into this. Best post on Omega bracelets I’ve seen in 20+ years of collecting!
Cheers from Old Europe
Richard

Locost · Feb 9, 2018

This answered more questions than I even knew I had about my bracelet. Thank you.

yeuhuan · Apr 12, 2018

As many have said, this is amazing work and highly appreciated. Just did a bracelet deal and would never have done so without the info here. I believe I had the right deal for me. Fingers crossed! It will be here in a few days.

warrydog · Apr 21, 2018

Thank you very much.. This is going in my binder.
Great work!!!!