Every so often I get a fake in...

nerd · May 3, 2017

Fascinating write up, thank you for taking the time to share this.

Archer · May 3, 2017

uwsearch
Do you think it's the only one ??

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f441/first-ever-fake-moonwatch-franken-only-2701777.html

No - why would you think that? I saw your thread when it started...

TNTwatch · May 3, 2017

uwsearch
Do you think it's the only one ??

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f441/first-ever-fake-moonwatch-franken-only-2701777.html

We talked about it here even before your thread there. There have been also quite a few franken-fake straight lug speedies and SM300 from that same ebay seller/sellers for quite a while.

Usually, movement is a franken from some lesser brands; case, bezel and dial are completely fake.

LawBrk · May 3, 2017

I think the point here is that while Franken Speedies have always been a threat, the watch that @Archer has shared is mich more than that. It is to the point where the level of commitment by the fraudster is higher than our perceived level of reward. None of which comforts me any...

Ninja2789 · May 3, 2017

Man. Absolutely insane the level of detail that went into this fake. I know my litmus test for vintage speedies has now moved much higher

Baz9614 · May 3, 2017

Wow! This is very interesting Al. I'm curious to read more comments on this one. Thanks for sharing!

noiseboyuk · May 3, 2017

There's no question:
Desirability = big bucks = more fakes

Fialetti · May 3, 2017

Thanks for posting this.

GregH · May 3, 2017

Thanks again, Al @Archer for taking the time not only to inform us of this fake, but to go through things in such clear detail. I always learn so much. You're fantastic!

Bumper · May 3, 2017

I had this offered to me about 10 years ago, it was supposedly a 145.022-76, but look how thick the case back is. The movement was also a mess, serial number looked like it was from a tissot, and put together. Sorry for the pics, i took these in a hurry at a flea market when the seller was distracted, with one of the early camera phones.

TNTwatch · May 3, 2017

Bumper
I had this offered to me about 10 years ago, it was supposedly a 145.066-76, but look how thick the case back is. The movement was also a mess, serial number looked like it was from a tissot, and put together. Sorry for the pics, i took these in a hurry at a flea market when the seller was distracted, with one of the early camera phones.

What camera phone did you use 10 years ago?

oddboy · May 3, 2017

Would anyone here have bought this?

It's great to see detailed photos up close, but I think the target of these is not the gang of us here. There's gonna be some sad newbs and unsuspecting nostalgia hunters out there. It pays to know what you're getting.

Thanks for the PSA Al!

micampe · May 3, 2017

TNTwatch
What camera phone did you use 10 years ago?

The picture says:

Camera
Sony Ericsson K800i

Date of Creation
2007:10:01 17:10:19

Those were nice phones.

onthedial · May 4, 2017

@Archer
Incredible photo documention and insightful analysis. Thank you.

Bumper · May 4, 2017

micampe
The picture says:

Camera
Sony Ericsson K800i

Date of Creation
2007:10:01 17:10:19

Those were nice phones.

Thanks for that! I was trying to remember what phone i had back then & couldn't... 😀

mokofoko · May 4, 2017

uwsearch
Do you think it's the only one ??

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f441/first-ever-fake-moonwatch-franken-only-2701777.html

I remember reading that one. The 861 stamp looks amazingly similar--even missing the omega symbol.

mokofoko · May 4, 2017

Bumper
I had this offered to me about 10 years ago, it was supposedly a 145.022-76, but look how thick the case back is. The movement was also a mess, serial number looked like it was from a tissot, and put together. Sorry for the pics, i took these in a hurry at a flea market when the seller was distracted, with one of the early camera phones.

That caseback, just wow 😀