Chronographs classified as Chronometres.

Moahunter · Nov 3, 2017

According to this 1950's ad, some chronographs were classified as chronometres.

Anyone ever seen one, does Sala list them?

Modest_Proposal · Nov 4, 2017

It is my understanding that chronographs marked "H.P.C." are "High Precision Chronometres". They are very hard to find.
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rolokr · Nov 4, 2017

Movement picture ?

LouS · Nov 4, 2017

No different from any other as far as I know

Moahunter · Nov 4, 2017

LouS
No different from any other as far as I know

So no evidence on the movement that it is a chronometre.
Shouldn't there be?
Some thing like "Adjusted 5 positions".
Otherwise the HPC on the dial could mean High Precision Chronograph or even be an attempt to defraud.
@ ModestProposal...where did your info. re HPC come from?

LouS · Nov 4, 2017

Sala, page 220, dial marking also seen in an original UG advert on page 224.

Are you suggesting UG engaged in systematic fraud?🍿

Moahunter · Nov 5, 2017

LouS
Sala, page 220, dial marking also seen in an original UG advert on page 224.

Are you suggesting UG engaged in systematic fraud?🍿

I haven't got Sala so I haven't seen the examples you cite. But do we know what HPC means?

Moahunter · Nov 5, 2017

Here is another HPC.

Since it isn't a chronograph can we assume C means Chronometre?

Foo2rama · Nov 5, 2017

HPC could be marketing. It has no legal definition like chronometer does.

LouS · Nov 5, 2017

M Moahunter
I haven't got Sala so I haven't seen the examples you cite. But do we know what HPC means?

High Precision Chronometer, according to Sala. His source is unknown.

Foo2rama
HPC could be marketing. It has no legal definition like chronometer does.

So why wouldn't all of their pieces be so marked?

M Moahunter
Here is another HPC.

Since it isn't a chronograph can we assume C means Chronometre?

Very interesting

Mlafra · Nov 5, 2017

HPC stands indeed for High Precision Chronometre, apparently these (rare) pieces were subject to stricter regulations upon manufacturing.
For sure the level of finishing was the same and not higher.
Even though I dont know I suspect that when new and sold they came with some kind of extra paper work certifing the chronometre status, kind of like a bulletin or extra certification of sort. That is probably why there is no sign of this on the movement itself.
This was not that uncommon with other manufactures back then.

Vitezi · Nov 5, 2017

Another example here:
SOLD 1945 Universal Geneve Uni-Compax H.P.C. Dual Register Unpolished Chronograph

Vitezi · Nov 5, 2017

Polerouter HPC here:

(thanks)

Moahunter · Nov 5, 2017

There seems to have been some change from the use of "H.P.C." to "Chronometre". The ad. in my OP clearly uses this latter word and describes the testing and issue of relevant paperwork. Was there some change in regulations?
We know that later Chronometres like the RailRouter had inscribed info. on the movement., visible to the right of the U logo in this photo.

Moahunter · Nov 9, 2017

Interesting example here https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels...n-ve-chronometer-with-one-push-button-1930-40 if it's genuine.

Modest_Proposal · Nov 10, 2017

M Moahunter
Interesting example here https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels...n-ve-chronometer-with-one-push-button-1930-40 if it's genuine.

It ain't.

Mlafra · Nov 10, 2017

well I would neither the case nor the dial of this watch is original.... I would also have lots of doubts about the movement considering the placements of the buttons...

Modest_Proposal · Nov 10, 2017

M Moahunter
Interesting example here https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels...n-ve-chronometer-with-one-push-button-1930-40 if it's genuine.

This is the cheekiest bullshit "technical loophole" description I have seen in a while:

"The dial is metal and in good condition, with the words ‘Universal Geneve’ in the upper part and ‘Chronometre’ below. "

tapaptpat · Nov 10, 2017

@Moahunter is this meant to be only for UG only or are other takers welcome?
I can think of at least one of the top of my head. The very lovely Sinn EZM1 issued. They would have the chronometer id engraved on case back.
Either way still got me interested in some weekend reading.

Thanks
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bgrisso · Sep 26, 2018

Following on the other recent thread about Chronometre on the dial (that particular watch did not have a serialized mvmt), then I assume it would be a similar problem if you have a HPC marked dial (time only), with this under the hood? We have to assume, what, that someone has swapped the dial or mvmt?

Or are the rules different for HPC dials vs Chronometre dials?