5513 gilt dial opinions

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Hi, please, I would appreciate your opinion on this dial it was offered to me some time ago and as not convinced if original, I let it go. What do yu think? Was I right or wrong?
Many thanks in advancce

 
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I think you were right. Text looks too thick compared to real ones I have seen.
 
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I think you were right. Text looks too thick compared to real ones I have seen.
Thank you, Donn, have my doubts too, specially the S of submariner- Regards
 
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repainted
Yep, look like repainted to me but were not sure. Appreciate your opinion. Tegards
 
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he dial does look very suspect and would warrant a lot more forensic analysis.
 
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he dial does look very suspect and would warrant a lot more forensic analysis.
Thank you Hert3, just to keep learning, what do you see as most suspect on the dial? colour markers, glossy, fonts? Thank you
 
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As I understand, in an original gilt dial the gold lettering and markers are etched into the black dial, they are not painted on at all, instead it’s the underlying plate shining through. So if you look at the dial at an angle under some magnification the letters appear sunken in a bit.

My gilt dial was totally damaged and it was a family heirloom. So I had my watchmaker send it to a specialist in London that replicates the original Rolex process. Very expensive and probably has a negative NPV as most all collectors will hate the watch, but it looks like NOS.

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in an original gilt dial the gold lettering and markers are etched into the black dial, they are not painted on at all
exactly this.

have a look at this page: https://awco.nl/gilt-dials/

the dial you showed doesn't look right.
 
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exactly this.

have a look at this page: https://awco.nl/gilt-dials/

the dial you showed doesn't look right.
Great explanation of the gilt process. Thanks for sharing. What looks off to you? There were several variations of the 5512/13 gilt dial. Mine is from 1966, classic coronet.
 
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Great explanation of the gilt process. Thanks for sharing. What looks off to you? There were several variations of the 5512/13 gilt dial. Mine is from 1966, classic coronet.
sorry, misunderstanding. I meant the dial posted by the OP. to me the text looks raised (i.e. printed).

no worries about yours!
 
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Sadly the gilt process is becoming a lost art, given the perfect storm of difficulty involved to make one, diminishing numbers of craftsmen with the knowledge, tools and supplies required to do this, and lack of demand as most/all collectors frown on them.
 
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As I understand, in an original gilt dial the gold lettering and markers are etched into the black dial, they are not painted on at all, instead it’s the underlying plate shining through. So if you look at the dial at an angle under some magnification the letters appear sunken in a bit.

My gilt dial was totally damaged and it was a family heirloom. So I had my watchmaker send it to a specialist in London that replicates the original Rolex process. Very expensive and probably has a negative NPV as most all collectors will hate the watch, but it looks like NOS.

Thank yo so much for you clear and definition "...in an original gilt dial the gold lettering and markers are etched into the black dial, they are not painted on at all, instead it’s the underlying plate shining through. So if you look at the dial at an angle under some magnification the letters appear sunken in a bit." Many thanks again. Kind regards
 
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Hi Knebo, fantastic the page you recommended. Many thanks. Kind regards
It’s a shame that Rolex doesn’t commission someone like the guy that made my dial to manufacture a batch of service dials for the gilt subs and GMTs. Most of these dial failed, with cracked and discolored finishes, damaged lume … And the current service dials are nothing at all like the original gilt dials. I would understand if they charged a significant premium for these since they are expensive to make. I can understand that they would not offer a service gilt dial for a watch that didn’t have a gilt dial originally. As wonderful as Rolex watches are, their heritage service leaves a lot to be desired versus Patek or Vacheron.
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As I understand, in an original gilt dial the gold lettering and markers are etched into the black dial, they are not painted on at all, instead it’s the underlying plate shining through. So if you look at the dial at an angle under some magnification the letters appear sunken in a bit.

My gilt dial was totally damaged and it was a family heirloom. So I had my watchmaker send it to a specialist in London that replicates the original Rolex process. Very expensive and probably has a negative NPV as most all collectors will hate the watch, but it looks like NOS.

Looks great, mind sharing the details of the artisan that did the work?
 
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Looks great, mind sharing the details of the artisan that did the work?
Looks great, mind sharing the details of the artisan that did the work?
My 5513 was serviced by Rik Dietel www.timecareinc.com. He’s great on all things Rolex. Rik sends the dials to a specialist in London. I don’t believe he’s sharing publicly who this is.
 
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My 5513 was serviced by Rik Dietel www.timecareinc.com. He’s great on all things Rolex. Rik sends the dials to a specialist in London. I don’t believe he’s sharing publicly who this is.
Ahh okay fair enough. I'm based in London- so would make no sense to send to Rik to then send back to London!
 
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I would suggest you reach out to Rik to see if there is a way to get this done. Given the quality of the work, it’s worth a try.
 
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I would suggest you reach out to Rik to see if there is a way to get this done. Given the quality of the work, it’s worth a try.
Will do, thanks