2709 Tresor 18k bumper

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This is my first vintage watch and purchased this in Italy and I was looking to get more information. It’s solid 18k and looks like original dial (I have not found another dial online with applied Arabic numerals for every hour though).

Looks to be a 2709 344 bumper movement.

All 3 hands do not look correct from what I have seen. How hard is it to track down a proper set and replace? I do not want to polish or refinish the dial, I love the patina. May consider replacing the crystal it does not look original anyways.

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Deafboy
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That watch looks nasty, inside and out.
You'd be better off purchasing from a collector on Omega Forums in the private watch sales.
 
Dan S
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All 3 hands do not look correct from what I have seen. How hard is it to track down a proper set and replace?
Hi, welcome to OF. The dial looks original to me as well, and the hands are replacements. They would bother me as well. How hard is it to replace them, that's hard to say. Some people have a big stash or a strong network and would find it easy. For others, it would be difficult. If you don't know where to start, you might want to contact an experienced watchmaker who is willing to help. The watch will need a service anyway, and it would be nice to replace the swan neck on the regulator.

Or if you want to take on a project, you could start studying other examples and look up reference information. You will need to know the hole sizes and lengths of the hands and then start hunting for replacements in yellow gold.
 
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Hi, welcome to OF. The dial looks original to me as well, and the hands are replacements. They would bother me as well. How hard is it to replace them, that's hard to say. Some people have a big stash or a strong network and would find it easy. For others, it would be difficult. If you don't know where to start, you might want to contact an experienced watchmaker who is willing to help. The watch will need a service anyway, and it would be nice to replace the swan neck on the regulator.

Or if you want to take on a project, you could start studying other examples and look up reference information. You will need to know the hole sizes and lengths of the hands and then start hunting for replacements in yellow gold.
Thanks Dan appreciate the information. I know dials varied greatly with the same reference but did the hands also? I think doing a deep dive and trying to find the replacements would be a fun project.
 
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I know dials varied greatly with the same reference but did the hands also? I think doing a deep dive and trying to find the replacements would be a fun project.
Hands varied following the dial design/length requirements. Even generic hands true to the design would be more aesthetically appealing while you embarked on your search for genuine.
I'd spend your money on the movement and function, making sure you have a viable watch before worrying too much.
Glad you like the patina, many do but many don't.
Think how sweet that baby looked new!

We usually suggest giving us a look before purchase, rather than after.

Welcome to the forum!
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I am in the process of restoring a few bumper movements. (see my threads in the watchmaking subsection.) Typically bumper movements had triangular or what Omega refers to as Dauphin hands. The reference I have in front of me is in french and I can not remember what the name in English is. Feuilles is the other common one. Which is more leaf shaped.

The 344 movement can take #20 or #21 hands in gold. Minute hands are 0.74/0.75 diameter 0.25 length. Hour is 1.41/1,42D 0.70L sub second is 0.14/0.15D 0.63L. Note this is the length of the cannon pipe. The actual length depends on the dial tracks.

Since I am in the process of restoring a hairspring, The escapement on this looks all buggered up. As noted the swan regulator is missing and the lever shoved to the side. The hairspring looks all bunched up.

Scratches and coloration on the plates make the movement look like one of my own put together rat watch movements made from whatever I can find online.

2709 case is listed as using a 332.1975 case clamp, which usually would be closer to a 30.10 RA (332) movement. There is a large movement adapter here which might be used to adapt the smaller 27.10 RA (34x) movement. I spent nearly a year looking for the right case clamps for some of my bumpers. Kept getting 33x clamps when I needed the smaller 34x or 35x clamps. It is easy to get some of this wrong. I am often wrong on initial inspection. The references as noted are mostly in french. they are also incomplete. The movement ring could be there to strengthen the case.
 
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Thanks Dan appreciate the information. I know dials varied greatly with the same reference but did the hands also? I think doing a deep dive and trying to find the replacements would be a fun project.
If you can find examples with the same dial, the hands should be the same. Different styles of hands were sometimes used with different dials, e.g. different types of markers.
 
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